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The point is only good when you oversimplify and dehumanise companies and just act as if every company out there is a giant, global mega corp.
Making a point that what companies do is good because they are small and have nice people in them, is like saying that holocaust is no big deal because some nazi officers are nice people.

I know it's a very bratty way to make a point, but I believe there's a point here. Since the only thing being fine with corporate missuse does is enforce that missuse.
 
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Making a point that what companies do is good because they are small and have nice people in them, is like saying that holocaust is no big deal because some nazi officers are nice people.

I know it's a very bratty way to make a point, but I believe there's a point here. Since the only thing being fine with corporate missuse does is enforce that missuse.
It's a very stupid way to make a point and is this literal meme here too:
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Companies offering unpaid internships you're free to ignore and the holocaust is a completely retarded comparison and if most employers are just a cartoon villains for you then I see no point in even talking to you about this subject because our views of the world are way too different.
My initial point still stands: Going to these interviews without the intention of taking the job is dishonest, I'd even consider it a form of lying and it takes advantage of good faith and wastes their time.
There's only two ways to be ok with this: A long stretch of complicated mental gymnastics to somehow turn every company/employer into some kind of villain who deserves this treatment, ulitmately dehumanising them in the process or just being an asshole (what depressed, cynical doomer zoomers would call based nowadays I guess).
The latter would be the honest way to go about it but someone who'd do such a thing in the first place would of course also not be honest about it anway so...
 
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and if you're around them you have to be "online" as well if you want to be sociable
Oh yeah, the thing that really annoys me about myself is that I naturally end up mimicking them, and then I hate my fucking guts. Wish I knew how to stop that
 
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Showing up to these interviews and FAKING to be interested is wrong and scammy. You can coat this with self righteousness all you want but at the end of the day the company is being honest and straight forward while you're bitter and scheming so you're in the wrong here.
I don't know man, the whole idea of having an unpaid internship is wrong and scammy. Like I see your point about the whole process of faking interest is dishonest but gaining free labor out of someone under the pretense of "it could help your career down the line if you continue to grovel and ass kiss and dehumanize yourself" is just plain immoral to me. I think this is OP's way of fighting back against this in his own small way. I agree that this isn't nearly the best way to fight against this issue but I'm guessing OP sees it as the only thing he can do on his own to fight against a clearly unjust system.
 
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There really is nothing spiritual about a star wars con, or anything like that. People who are religious usually go to a sacred place once a week and developed deep bonds with others who attend the church. With the church itself has a deep presence all through their lives.

Imagine if churches functioned like these cons. You go to somewhere far away. You walk along all the time with strangers who are shouting and putting their phones in every direction to record everything. Screens everywhere are blasting all the new releases of some product and trying to catch your attention. And all of this is for release of some movie or whatever.

If the need for spirituality doesn't go away, so doesn't the environment necessary to achieve a sense of spirituality. And whatever this is, is as removed from a church as you can get.
I am not a religious man but it is for these reasons you have described that I loathe Christian megachurches. It's a similar vibe. The sense of a sacred reverence is depleted and it feels like they've bastardized it by making it no different then your typical soulless Americanized franchise. Bonus points if they alienate their base by trying to appease progressive ideals.
 
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I think this is OP's way of fighting back against this in his own small way. I agree that this isn't nearly the best way to fight against this issue but I'm guessing OP sees it as the only thing he can do on his own to fight against a clearly unjust system.
I don't remember where I heard this, but it's a piece of life advice that really resonated with me:

"Don't fuck with people because they're assholes. Fuck with them because you're an asshole."
 

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I don't know man, the whole idea of having an unpaid internship is wrong and scammy. Like I see your point about the whole process of faking interest is dishonest but gaining free labor out of someone under the pretense of "it could help your career down the line if you continue to grovel and ass kiss and dehumanize yourself" is just plain immoral to me. I think this is OP's way of fighting back against this in his own small way. I agree that this isn't nearly the best way to fight against this issue but I'm guessing OP sees it as the only thing he can do on his own to fight against a clearly unjust system.
If it's wrong then don't take one?
Also the pretense isn't that it could help the career down the line.
The reason for internships is that the intern sees how the business operates on the inside and gets some first hand experiences in the field he's (most likely) interested in. Some university degrees need you to take one or more internships but then you're obviously still in education and earning a salary isn't your main goal just yet, you're supposed to take the internship to learn, not to earn money.
An internship is a period of work experience offered by an organization for a limited period of time.
I still need to get some reasonable arguements as to what about this is "unjust" if both agree to the contract. This isn't unjust. It's just being twisted by some wierd r/antiwork tier view of the world to "stick it to the man!".

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The point is only good when you oversimplify and dehumanise companies and just act as if every company out there is a giant, global mega corp.
How do you dehumanise a company? I don't believe in corporate personhood. Corporations and companies are not people, but owned by them. Of course I don't have a problem with small businesses or companies especially when they aren't political. The likelihood of a small business having an internship is also pretty rare.
 

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How do you dehumanise a company? I don't believe in corporate personhood. Corporations and companies are not people, but owned by them. Of course I don't have a problem with small businesses or companies especially when they aren't political. The likelihood of a small business having an internship is also pretty rare.
Semantics.
In the end, you're interacting with people working there and/or the owner. These are humans but summing them up under "company" so it could mean anything from a local small business or the globohomo mega corp seems like some rhetoric trick to make it sound more ok to waste their time.
Again, this whole fight for justice only works when your image of "employer" is some cartoon villain depiction of a capitalist. I personally met many employers in my life who were just normal boomers trying to get by like everyone else.
I did both my unpaid internships at small businisses and they were nice people and helped me a lot. They gave me a good resume which gave me an advantage at later interviews.
 
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It's not that it's a physical object, it's that LOTR is particularly difficult to read, full of long-winded descriptions and chapters where not much happens.

So these communities attract a lot of people who like the IDEA of the lord of the rings, but aren't really interested in the works themselves.

It's yet another example of where some gatekeeping would be a good idea.


Applying for an unpaid internship is not "making a contract".

If companies have the right to make unpaid internships, we have the right to exploit them for doing so. Especially when so many unpaid internships are exploitative. This goes doubly so when they are combined with scammy government or educational services (like bullshit "work placement" programs which are mainly there to get free labour).

You're making it sound like these people signed up for these internships, accepted them, then turned around and went "nah fuck you" after signing a contract and after the company had turned down everyone else. You're also making it sound like unpaid internships are just a purely neutral system where there is no power imbalance, people aren't pressured into them for bulshit "it will help your career" reasons, and everything corporations do involving them is moral and above board. That could not be further from the truth.

Declining an offer after an interview is well within our rights, for a job or an internship, paid or unpaid, and we are not "unfairly" slighting a company for turning them down, even if we never intended to take the job in the first place. That's part of how the interview process works. Companies understand that they do interviews at their own risk and their own expense, and they should factor that in as part of their expansion (if a new job is required) or if they are replacing someone (usually for greedy reasons, like the old person left because they were being treated badly). We do not owe a company ANYTHING for being "generous" enough to offer us an interview and we owe them nothing for agreeing to participate in one - that's already factored in to the fact that our work will generally be more profitable for them than for us (otherwise they wouldn't have offered the job in the first place). It's simple economics which you don't seem to understand.

By your logic, if I walk into a store to look at some products, get into a chat with a cashier about a particular product, then leave for whatever reason without buying anything, then I have somehow unfairly wasted the stores time or somehow "owe them" a sale. That's not how any of this works.

Your position reminds me of the absolute worst that conservatism has to offer. Pro-corporate ass-licking hidden behind a thin veneer of "liberty" and "freedom". How does that boot taste?
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Sure thing, cutting board.

Top posts are just women showing off, lmoa.


Also "slurs against flat chested women" returns some news from Trump and about trannies. I fucking hate modern search engines.
Slurs against WHAT!
 

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I still need to get some reasonable arguements as to what about this is "unjust" if both agree to the contract. This isn't unjust. It's just being twisted by some wierd r/antiwork tier view of the world to "stick it to the man!".
I'm not some socialist neet who thinks that every company is evil and full of twisted greedy owners. If the company is monetarily gaining off of you but giving you no compensation for the value you bring to the company then it's unjust. Profiting of of someone's time without giving them any sort of compensation is very exploitative and shouldn't be allowed. You can make the argument of "the compensation you get is learning the business" but at every new job you'll always have to do a fair amount of learning even when the new job is in the same field. Yes internships are about learning the field but not compensating your interns for the value they bring to the company is exploiting them. I know you're trying to say that since both parties agreed to the deal then it's okay but I'm trying to argue that unpaid internships should be abolished altogether. Many people who enter into these internships are pressured into it in some way by their uni or just a general notion that you need to put in some time and work before you're allowed to get compensated for whatever reason. Companies profiting off of and pressuring inexperienced teenagers into doing work for free does not sit well with me. The only way I would be okay with not getting a paycheck is if the company provided housing and expenses for the time the intern was there instead of just being like "lmao, hope you don't starve there as you slowly drain away your money, bud. thanks for the labor"
 
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i think the only thing you guys are arguing about is whether or not you want to work without getting monetarily compensated.
personally, if i was getting needed work experience in a field i could not work in otherwise due to limited credentials, i would be happy taking experience as compensation for my most likely lackluster work.
 
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so basically we're going back to the old anti-work topic again :schitztroll:
 
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i think the only thing you guys are arguing about is whether or not you want to work without getting monetarily compensated.
personally, if i was getting needed work experience in a field i could not work in otherwise due to limited credentials, i would be happy taking experience as compensation for my most likely lackluster work.
lmao imagine not getting paid $19 an hour for an entry level internship like I did. get bamboozled
 
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Companies offering unpaid internships you're free to ignore and the holocaust is a completely retarded comparison and if most employers are just a cartoon villains for you then I see no point in even talking to you about this subject because our views of the world are way too different.
My initial point still stands: Going to these interviews without the intention of taking the job is dishonest, I'd even consider it a form of lying and it takes advantage of good faith and wastes their time.
There's only two ways to be ok with this: A long stretch of complicated mental gymnastics to somehow turn every company/employer into some kind of villain who deserves this treatment, ulitmately dehumanising them in the process or just being an asshole (what depressed, cynical doomer zoomers would call based nowadays I guess).
The latter would be the honest way to go about it but someone who'd do such a thing in the first place would of course also not be honest about it anway so...
I have issue with this idea that you are free to just ignore it. I had to take internships in my study. It wasn't really a choice, we had a whole semester for internships and you just had to find something. Not everyone find a paid one, and I actually am on the luckier ones since what I study is in high demand. That's not the case for everyone.

And sure, I will say that any work you do, outside of charity maybe, should get paid. Just as a belief that work should be paid. If you take the view that's it's everyone free choice and things like unpaid work or internships should be allowed, it becomes a race to the bottom. Especially with jobs. Since some people are in such bad position they will take any job they can just to secure something. I know someone who had no choice but to work in a shitty miss managed company for nearly 2 months for free cause nothing else was possible.

What choice do you have otherwise really? Shit work or no work isn't a meaningful choice. It's like saying that prisoners are actually free because they could always kill themselves. If your choices are like that, you don't have a meaningful choice. And while talk about jobs (usually) is nowhere as extreme as that, any job that could be payed, should be payed. Simple for no other reason as to actual secure a meaningful living instead of this corporate slave mentally which pushes everything to the bottom
 
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lmao imagine not getting paid $19 an hour for an entry level internship like I did. get bamboozled
two genuine questions bc im getting to the period in my life where ill have to start taking internships:
do you think you got valuable work experience through your internship?
do you think you were already qualified for that internship? (i.e you could have just been hired instead of being an intern)
 
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also, isn't being "paid" in experience through an internship just as valuable because it gets you ready for higher-paying jobs? like an investment for the future?
 
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