RESISTING THE TECHNOCRATS GENERAL

[WKYK]

I think I mentioned this in the dumbphone thread but I had a dumbphone until 2022 where I eventually got an android due to 4G slowly being eliminated in my area and I was about to go on a business trip alone and I wanted a better map system than my current one (memorizing directions lol). From my experience if a company wants you to use an app for something, they are not going to cater to you they will just look at you weird and then ignore you bc you are not worth the time to them. There are pros and cons to both smartphones and dumb phones, especially if you have self control with your smartphone.

I am of the opinion that humans are not meant to be connected to each other 24/7 365, which is the lifestyle that owning a mobile phone puts you into. I agree, if you have good self control then there is nearly no difference between owning a smartphone and a dumbphone (assuming both options are free/libre), however I would argue owning either is still bad because
1. Cell towers can always triangulate your position
and
2. Like I said above, humans are not meant to be constantly talking with friends and family. I understand maybe during work hours, but if you're on your own walking or going to a concert or shopping, you don't need to be constantly available to literally everyone you know. It's ok to have some time to yourself and just think about things in your head while going about your day.

And just to clarify, yes I do have a mobile phone still, so I understand that it's a necessary evil that a lot of people deal with, and there's nothing to be ashamed of there. I am more just trying to make it clear that the end goal in technocratic resistance (and just being spiritually healthy) is to only have a landline. As long as you're working towards that goal, then owning a mobile phone for the time being is understandable.

And about your GPS issue, I totally get it, I've gotten completely lost before and having a smartphone literally saved me from being stranded, but consider the alternative solution of just getting a dedicated GPS machine for your car. A big draw to phones is that they're the swiss army knife of functionality. Need a calculator? Use your phone. Need a camera? Use your phone. Need to check the time? You get the point. I don't like the idea of needing to rely on a device that tracks my location and interactions for basic daily tasks. So I suggest that you and anyone else reading this consider getting standalone products for each of these needs, that way you only use your phone when you absolutely need to. I've started doing this, and let me tell you, having the tools be separate is actually more convenient than I expected. For one, they are always higher quality because they are optimized for their purpose. For example, I got a pair of flashlights for working on electronics, and I never realized how garbage the iPhone flashlight was until I used a standalone flashlight for the first time in a while. Same with calculators, I dug up my graphing calculator from highschool and it was easier to use and had far more features that my smartphone's calculator. Now granted, the iphone calculator is only scientific, not graphic, but even a basic scientific standalone calculator would be far better than the garbage default one that comes on iphones. Also, a minor point but worth mentioning, standalone tools are quicker to use. Instead of digging my phone out of my pocket, turning it on and enabling the flashlight, I can just grab my flashlight off of my desk and use it immediately. Same with wearing a watch, just look at your wrist vs getting out your phone and turning it on. Again, this sounds small, but for a device that seems to be the most convenient thing ever, it can be outclassed pretty easily by simple, single functionality tools.

I kinda rambled there but TLDR getting standalone tools like a GPS or flashlight will get you off your phone more and are also probably better than what you'd be using on the phone anyway.

Recently though, this group is planning on making a sort of 2.0 version of this where the LLC will buy a much bigger plot of land which people in the community can then buy lots of and build houses on. The plan is for it to be a village format with a focus on farming and animal husbandry and just general community.

This is amazing, exactly the kind of thing that is both great for your soul and removes yourself from technocratic society. Good luck to you and your wife, I'd love to hear any updates in the future if you're willing to share.

 

[bnuungus]

I am of the opinion that humans are not meant to be connected to each other 24/7 365, which is the lifestyle that owning a mobile phone puts you into. I agree, if you have good self control then there is nearly no difference between owning a smartphone and a dumbphone (assuming both options are free/libre), however I would argue owning either is still bad because
1. Cell towers can always triangulate your position
and
2. Like I said above, humans are not meant to be constantly talking with friends and family. I understand maybe during work hours, but if you're on your own walking or going to a concert or shopping, you don't need to be constantly available to literally everyone you know. It's ok to have some time to yourself and just think about things in your head while going about your day.

And just to clarify, yes I do have a mobile phone still, so I understand that it's a necessary evil that a lot of people deal with, and there's nothing to be ashamed of there. I am more just trying to make it clear that the end goal in technocratic resistance (and just being spiritually healthy) is to only have a landline. As long as you're working towards that goal, then owning a mobile phone for the time being is understandable.

And about your GPS issue, I totally get it, I've gotten completely lost before and having a smartphone literally saved me from being stranded, but consider the alternative solution of just getting a dedicated GPS machine for your car. A big draw to phones is that they're the swiss army knife of functionality. Need a calculator? Use your phone. Need a camera? Use your phone. Need to check the time? You get the point. I don't like the idea of needing to rely on a device that tracks my location and interactions for basic daily tasks. So I suggest that you and anyone else reading this consider getting standalone products for each of these needs, that way you only use your phone when you absolutely need to. I've started doing this, and let me tell you, having the tools be separate is actually more convenient than I expected. For one, they are always higher quality because they are optimized for their purpose. For example, I got a pair of flashlights for working on electronics, and I never realized how garbage the iPhone flashlight was until I used a standalone flashlight for the first time in a while. Same with calculators, I dug up my graphing calculator from highschool and it was easier to use and had far more features that my smartphone's calculator. Now granted, the iphone calculator is only scientific, not graphic, but even a basic scientific standalone calculator would be far better than the garbage default one that comes on iphones. Also, a minor point but worth mentioning, standalone tools are quicker to use. Instead of digging my phone out of my pocket, turning it on and enabling the flashlight, I can just grab my flashlight off of my desk and use it immediately. Same with wearing a watch, just look at your wrist vs getting out your phone and turning it on. Again, this sounds small, but for a device that seems to be the most convenient thing ever, it can be outclassed pretty easily by simple, single functionality tools.

I kinda rambled there but TLDR getting standalone tools like a GPS or flashlight will get you off your phone more and are also probably better than what you'd be using on the phone anyway.

we pretty much agree on this i see. I didn't want to derail this thread on topics like how I think that instant communication has destroyed people's willingness to actually commit to things or how you gain such a unique knowledge of the land around you when you dont have live maps but if you want to discuss it in dm's let me know bc i feel like i have a pretty unique perspective on the subject after dealing with it through college covid regulations being tied to mobile devices and it's a subject that i would love to just discuss. Or better yet we can make a thread but not everyone on this forum is able to try to see things from the perspective of other people.

Good luck to you and your wife, I'd love to hear any updates in the future if you're willing to share.

I most certainly will, my guy

 

[bnuungus]

also i don't know if this helps at all with your planning for the future, but I'm 24 right now, so probably only a few years more along than you are

 

[Some_porcupine]

Also also, tools don't run off batteries that fast, or, at all
And phone is fragile and too big. Bring pagers/floppies back.

 

[Vitnira]

Solid thread, here's my additions:
I personally switched from streaming to running my own personal media (Jellyfin) server. Makes it easier to remember what I actually like and want to watch, and when my kids are older I have my own streaming service with old stuff I've vetted myself. Don't have to worry about any bullshit like "Cuties" or bizarre YouTube kids videos on the TV. I share my server with friends. If you're somewhat tech-savvy (opening command line doesn't scare you) I recommend giving it a go. Feel free to reach out to me if you're interested in running a media server but don't know where to start, I've been doing this for years.

Phones are a crap situation. After trying many options my preferred option is, ironically, the Pixel series with GrapheneOS on them. With the WebUSB installation it's cake to install, it's very secure, and it has the amenities I need (like I can still install apks for my work's 2FA). Yes you're buying from Google, but with GrapheneOS it's a damn good phone without the Google spyware on it. Slap F-Droid and Aurora Store on it and have fun. Paid apps will not work though.
I have removed all social media and simply use an ebook reader and download whatever I want from zlib to entertain myself when pooping or in waiting rooms.

While this resource has gotten worse over the years (NordVPN wtf?) this is a decent place to start for getting more data privacy in your life: https://www.privacytools.io/
Browse it, find places you can switch out a crap option for a better one.

W.r.t food, if you live in America there is probably a ranch with grass-finished cattle. I did a price comparison of the 1/2 share of cow and it came down to the same price as the local grocery store's conventional beef, but I get grass-fed grass-finished antibiotic-free local free-range blah blah blah beef. And it's damn tasty too. You will need a freezer.
Also eat organ meats. Cheap, nutritious.

If you have money look into raw milk suppliers in your area. Mine does delivery and are in cahoots with a local farm co-op so I get local produce too.

Switch your sweetener to local honey. Helps with allergies. I find I like the taste better and need less sweetener in whatever I use it for.

To get away from fluoride in the water my local grocery store has a water purification refill station for 1 and 5-gallon jugs. I have a dispenser at home with 4 5-gallon jugs and fill them at the store each week. Costs about $5/week. Use it for all consumption. I've always been picky about my water because the tap tastes like shit here anyway.

I have personally given up gym membership because 1) I hate staring at peach pants and 2) I don't have the time for even a 15min drive anymore. I have a nice outdoor setup with gymnastic rings, iron maces, jump rope, and will soon be getting some kettlebells. Have an outdoor fitness regimen if you can, it's been much nicer for my mental health to Touch Grass while exercising.

 

[Vitnira]

Found this in the wild today

 

[Some_porcupine]

new way? they mean favicons in binary-tree folders, so to create your identity profile?

 

[WKYK]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-okay-to-be-paranoid-someone-is-watching-you/2018/03/27/1a161d4c-2327-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?noredirect=on

^use made up email, this is a real article btw, actually reads like parody

 

[Some_porcupine]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-okay-to-be-paranoid-someone-is-watching-you/2018/03/27/1a161d4c-2327-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?noredirect=on

^use made up email, this is a real article btw, actually reads like parody

its opinion
in WP
sir...

 

[LIFE]

I have some experience in offgrid living (not currently offgrid but thats another story) and one thing that i noticed is that many newbies just go out there in the woods and try to make it on their own thinking they will just figure it out along the way. This will result in them failing 80% of the time and basically just being a wageslave and consumerist but just not in the city. I strongly recommend not to go in this alone, or establish ties in the local community you will be living in. No man is an island, it is near impossible to rely solely on yourself, you need a community or at the very least a good relationship with your neighbors. Good luck!

 

[WKYK]

its opinion
in WP
sir...

It's written by mitch daniels, president of purdue university. Purdue is one of the schools discussed in the articles I linked, they track all of their students based on their wifi usage around campus and try to diagnose their mental health based on their movement habits. So reading the article it shows that the president doesn't see the irony in warning people about tracking leading to a social credit system like they have in china when his school is unconsentually tracking everyone that uses their wifi.

 

[bnuungus]

trying to eliminate single use items. An easy thing to do this with is plastic bags and food wrap. You can buy this beeswax food wrap here and reusable food bags here. Cheap, good for the environment, and you now have one less thing you need to consistently buy

 

[Some_porcupine]

Audacity is now a possible spyware?

https://fosspost.org/audacity-is-now-a-spyware/ Looks like as long as you're running any version before 3.0.2 and don't update you should be fine.

forum.agoraroad.com

Audacity is now a possible spyware?

https://fosspost.org/audacity-is-now-a-spyware/ Looks like as long as you're running any version before 3.0.2 and don't update you should be fine.

forum.agoraroad.com

Audacity is now a possible spyware?

https://fosspost.org/audacity-is-now-a-spyware/ Looks like as long as you're running any version before 3.0.2 and don't update you should be fine.

forum.agoraroad.com

Audacity is now a possible spyware?

https://fosspost.org/audacity-is-now-a-spyware/ Looks like as long as you're running any version before 3.0.2 and don't update you should be fine. Yeah, I guess. Idk, I think it sucks but I already don't like the level of sacrifice everything technology-related requires, seems like going off...

forum.agoraroad.com

 

[Some_porcupine]

good schizo blogpost
part is crooky, part is interesting and on nose

The Club of Rome and the Rise of the “Predictive Modelling” Mafia

By Matthew Ehret (originally published on Unlimited Hangout) "The best way to predict the future is to create it" -Abraham Lincoln While much propaganda has gone into convincing the world that euge...

canadianpatriot.org

 

[WKYK]

I took a small break from posting on Agora to focus on real life but I've had some thoughts in the past month or so I wanted to write here, I think it pertains to this thread and the idea of removing yourself from the tech system.

1. Its really important to actually practice what you believe. In my time without carrying a cell phone around people I've spoken to often say stuff like "Yeah what you're doing is great, I agree smartphones are really bad for you" yet they own and continue to use their smartphone in public. When it's people who I know a bit better who say this I sometimes ask to see their "daily activity" stats on their phones, and they always have 2+ hours a day. So I take this as an important lesson that agreeing with a cause just isn't enough sometimes, even if you wholeheartedly oppose smartphones, if you still use one all the time you aren't doing yourself any favors.

2. Increase the number of specific, individual gadgets you use to replace the same functionality that your phone would serve. For example, get an MP3 player for music instead of using streaming, get a watch to tell the time instead of your phones clock. This way when you need to do something, you use the exact tool you need for that scenario and don't get distracted. It also gets rid of your need to constantly have your phone on you for every little task. I've thought about making a thread about this topic to go more in detail about what all you'll probably need once you give up using a smartphone, so maybe I'll throw that together if I feel it'd help people out.

3. After seeing protest after protest on my campus for the various wars going on right now, I've began to realize that you really won't have much luck trying to spread a message to people who you don't know. Maybe this is super obvious to some of you, but I am saying this because I know I made the "Spreading Ideas on a College Campus" thread and while I still believe that if you care about a cause you should try to spread awareness, it's a big waste of energy and time to try and convince people you don't know about things they don't care about. The best thing each of us can do is follow our morals and if people close to us ask about it, then we explain our beliefs and let them decide if they are interested. My mind might change on this again, but that's where I'm at right now.

4. Reduce the amount you use the internet as much as possible. The internet is just such an unnatural place and will almost always attempt to warp your mind in some way. I think Agora is still fine, and I think some YouTubers are still fine (if you can watch their vids on Invidious or something like that) but 99.99% of it is just really bad for you. I guess I'm kinda preaching to the choir on this one, y'all already know this, but to refer back to my first point it's important that you actually act on what you believe.

Again, just some thoughts I've been having recently. Would love to hear some things y'all have been up to in terms of reducing the tech footprint in your life.

 

[Deleted member 1982]

I've spoken to often say stuff like "Yeah what you're doing is great, I agree smartphones are really bad for you" yet they own and continue to use their smartphone in public.

Because the "people" of modern are agreeable, they say this to not cause a debate or an issue. It's what gets them through work-life, moreso in a corporate environment and what they re-iterate within "If I just bend over or duck I wont be targeted or get issues". They might as well have never thought about this and their first impulse was actually their chained soul coming through because it knows it is bad yet the Mind and Body still continues. You might as well get them to agree to everything if you ask a certain way.
You would need to reinforce that, say it again and again and again over several weeks and it might click, but when it does they feel repulsed and disgusted by it, because than they know what they do is bad, but they never learned that they can do bad things and this is when you actually have them by the balls. This is the time to strike. I got many vaxxies like this, at first they dont care, than they get angry and vicious but than they break, start crying and confess to me that they didn't wanted it and that they will never get it. I replied that they will also get the next vaxx, because they still have that mindset in them.

. After seeing protest after protest on my campus for the various wars going on right now, I've began to realize that you really won't have much luck trying to spread a message to people who you don't know.

Yes, you wont wake up anyone anymore. They have their Influencers, Their Idols, their favourite politicians, their talk show hosts all chanting in unison the thing they have to believe and dedicate themselves too.

You are just a Preacher standing on the plaza.

Consider: You dont preach to wake people up or to convert them like christians so desperately do, but you preach for the sake of the preaching. Its something spiritual. Like a Mantra in Buddhism, Tantrik Texts, that you repeat again and again while concentrating on it. Do it for yourself and for the sake of preaching it, without exhausting yourself. It will give you power and energy and attune your "I" and "Me" to it. Only when you do this you can actually reach someone, and one a plane very different and more potent than just reading off a script you hardly live by, as you also mentioned.

Awakening kindles Awakening, Light lights Light.
People like Magic, are naturally drawn to a strong center ☉︎. You speak for the sake of the words. Nothing else

 

[Some_porcupine]

you only can attract what is hooked on your message
because we only hear what we want to, as to paraphrase here @/no_chill

 

[Deleted member 1982]

Oh also something very very important @WKYK Do not fall into the trap of debating or arguing. If your cause is a cause, it doesn't need it.

Arguing and debating is poison for the soul, something materialistic, shallow. Something to feed the Ego with, if you need to argue or debate a viewpoint you rob it of all its energies and power.

No, its not healthy to hold a discussion(but you said this and that but actually its not like it and science says...) or to debate. Its unhealthy. If they start arguing and debating over what you say to them its a shortcoming on their part. It's them being at odds, not you. Its not something bad, cowardly or unvirtuos to refute a debate, its the exact opposite. Its regality. What (true) King would defend his Laws or Pogroms. And debate them endlessly. It's different if someone hast suggestions, because that means they thought about it, understood it, associate with it and found something complimentary to it.

Someone who debates or argues something does not understand, or associate, he does just hate and destroy.

Its different if someone has questions or wants to get further into it via a discussion (Logos).

Pay the ones arguing no mind, no energy. But the ones listening your full attention. They deserve it.

We gave many public speeches and some people eventually come to you wanting to talk to you, however some of my peers had the habit of getting drawn into an argument with those opposed, for 10minutes-20minutes and so on, letting them be robbed of vital energies. All the while dozens of people that agreed and liked him stood by idling, waiting, because they just wanted to congratulate him, talk with him and so on. They dont deserve this. Its not your problem when someone disagrees

 

[Eden]

Oh also something very very important @WKYK Do not fall into the trap of debating or arguing. If your cause is a cause, it doesn't need it.

Arguing and debating is poison for the soul, something materialistic, shallow. Something to feed the Ego with, if you need to argue or debate a viewpoint you rob it of all its energies and power.

No, its not healthy to hold a discussion(but you said this and that but actually its not like it and science says...) or to debate. Its unhealthy. If they start arguing and debating over what you say to them its a shortcoming on their part. It's them being at odds, not you. Its not something bad, cowardly or unvirtuos to refute a debate, its the exact opposite. Its regality. What (true) King would defend his Laws or Pogroms. And debate them endlessly. It's different if someone hast suggestions, because that means they thought about it, understood it, associate with it and found something complimentary to it.

Someone who debates or argues something does not understand, or associate, he does just hate and destroy.

Its different if someone has questions or wants to get further into it via a discussion (Logos).

Pay the ones arguing no mind, no energy. But the ones listening your full attention. They deserve it.

We gave many public speeches and some people eventually come to you wanting to talk to you, however some of my peers had the habit of getting drawn into an argument with those opposed, for 10minutes-20minutes and so on, letting them be robbed of vital energies. All the while dozens of people that agreed and liked him stood by idling, waiting, because they just wanted to congratulate him, talk with him and so on. They dont deserve this. Its not your problem when someone disagrees

Really liked this, yo. Good advice / message for beginner teachers too, though most certainly not told to them as poetically.

 

[Some_porcupine]

The word "overpopulation", and a lot of the associated dogma and language conjures

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZAo_dUbh9s&ab_channel=AfterSkool