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Have you ever felt the thrill of, at least in hindsight, "doing the right thing"? Sometimes it can cost you a reputation, maybe a hospital visit or a blow to your purse. Sometimes it can cost you a relationship or an investment. The pain or loss usually ends up being formative, right? Where do you think continued idealized pursuit like this leads, what kind of person would perform the role and what inspirations would they need to realize this line of work?

What is "Right"? Synchronicities, deja vu and Telepathy

Moments of conjunction, of resonance, typically lead us to deeper insights regarding what drives us. Upon following these in a more focused manner (which is the nature of Meditation and why you train it) we can track such a resonance and unfurl the tangles of life's Purpose. Feelings like deja vu or a rush of adrenaline occur in accordance with these experiences and it's the body and mind's way of receiving these sorts of downloads from our bigger self upstairs. "Right", then, is alignment with your personal synchronicities. It's understandable that this circumvents or at least suspends Morality, but it's important to realize humans have levels of communication (or glorified Telepathy if you want to reduce it) which autonomously interact in the background. In other words, "treat your neighbor as yourself" or "treat others how you want to be treated", to use common idioms, are important to conceptualize. We're much more alike than most people realize, especially outside of the body. These synchronicities align us to Purpose and you might be surprised where it can lead you.

Karmic Forces working in concert

Maybe you known a person that seems to be very successful in life in a variety of ways; their spouse is effortlessly attractive and charming, their children are well-ordered, they have what seems like little stress and have visibly earned the respect of those they surround themselves with. These sorts of people are typically content and easy to get along with. We can experience this life, but it's important to follow those clues, like described previously, which can lead us to a resonance channel where we can ride the wave of resonance, so to speak. Have you ever had a day where everything seemed to work smoothly for you? It's sort of like that, just on a wider scale.

While I'm not keen on the usual descriptions of Karma, the overall layout of the function seems to describe what's useful well enough: those who align themselves with said resonance channel can easily experience a sort of flow where forces around you conspire to concoct your vision or your goal. The idea of punishment often invoked is misunderstood. It's more like the most accessible pathway for what you put in is dispensed accordingly. The scales of Karma are balanced by Virtue and its lack. You don't put a coin in and get a prize. You put a coin in and everyone splits it evenly (just not physically).


Virtue, its role and your goal

With a dedicated focus on Virtue in our lives, we can easily cultivate and exert the efforts. This loosely means genuine meditation on Wisdom, Justice, Courage and Temperance. In regular meditation on these Virtues, we can ourselves cultivate them. The cultivation will grant us other boons, boons which we can exert. Pursing Wisdom and leading a Courageous life can aid us in seeking Justice and Justice cannot be dolled out without Wisdom. Likewise, it takes Courage to be Temperate and our Temperance can lead us to Wisdom. In experiencing Justice, we can cultivate Wisdom and in facing Justice, we can exert Courage. The alignment of these Virtues in ourselves, especially if exerted towards others, is how we will achieve our goals.

Dunbar Slots, who you surround yourself with and the 100th Monkey

Dunbar posits humans can only support so many meaningful relationships at a mean. But there's a wider social-genetic comprehension of our actions that feel and acknowledge the impression of our actions. This is how some people (like a Cayce or a Blavatsky, for example) can just pull incredibly insights or feats out of nothing like they carry around some portal in their pocket, hiding all the world's secrets. If we can find ways to manage our Dunbar Slots effectively, it can have wider implications on the social-genetic mind of the species, revealing us access to the 100th Monkey (event horizon of human experience, where once a critical mass of objectivity is reached, it's absorbed by the social-genetic mind, to really distil things). Saturation of Dunbar Slots with Virtue is the (a) pathway to the 100th Monkey. You know, wagging the dog.

The necessity of Revenge

Human concepts like Revenge should be understood as a balancing of the Karmic Scales. While I again am not crazy about the overall concept of Karma, it helps us to conceptualize karmic scales as a ubiquity measure whereby harmony is restored via certain events witnessed by our social-genetic mind-entity. Think about the aftermath of a transgression, particularly a non-righteous (as in inspired by Virtue) one, which has no response. Think about the sort of thing that does to a person - how it festers and gyrates. Through exertion of cultivated Virtue, we can balance these scales and ease the peripheral consequences of such a transgression. Most of us have a poor and dichotomized view of Revenge, where it can't possibly be a virtuous endeavor. This is a deeply flawed perspective, one that robs us of agency. Humans cannot live like this and it's a very large reason society is so out of Harmony. As the ledger of karmic transgressions reaches its zenith, we will unfortunately experience the consequences of our current condition. Being so out of touch with metaphysical aspects of ourselves and humanity at large, how can we possibly contain the tangential ramifications of such a karmic imbalance? If no one knows they're carrying around astral shotguns blasting each other all the time because they never kicked their step dad's ass for touching their little sister the wrong ways, we're all going to repeat this cycle of unglued, public displays of insanity.

How you enact Revenge matters, however. Balancing scales can be performed in a variety of ways and properly directing energies alongside Virtue confers genuine Harmony, which is the goal of said Revenge. In the end, Revenge isn't punitive, but Harmonious (ie. Justice). As such, it is Right.

Think about the last five or so years. Escalations in Europe, Asia and the Middle East are surely being felt by most of the civilized world. How the hell do we reverse this trend if it's such an increasing problem?

Might

So what is Might, what role does it play in this equation and how can we properly exert the Might needed to fix this predicament? Is Might just words and guns? Is it riches and muscle? Or are there other genres of Might we should consider?

Are the Virtuous Mighty? Who can sunder them if they can't be exploited, if they have Courage and Wisdom, if they act with Temperance and seek Justice?

The answer is simple. In seeking what's Right, Might will follow us in our path, amplifying our presence, our awareness and what we exert. Woe to any who stand in our way.
 
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I'll ignore all the psychobabble and just write some thoughts I got while reading:
* Be very careful about the "pleasure of being right", it's often a symptom of people who have seen too many movies and always imagine themselves in one.
* While I think that there's a strong correlation between virtue in the stoic sense and strength (both mental and physical), it's only that. You can easily meet strength enough to be dangerous and "evil" in the same individual.
* I supposed this title is a reaction to Might is Right? Well, read it and tell me that true strength doesn't transcend virtue and romanticist notions about it. Actually, I recently read and reviewed a weird novel about this whole topic.

I'll let our favourite Onii-san conclude for me: https://0x0.st/8JYp.webm
 
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I don't know if I agree with the primary thesis
The answer is simple. In seeking what's Right, Might will follow us in our path, amplifying our presence, our awareness and what we exert. Woe to any who stand in our way.

This is assuming that there is a predetermined "right". That there is a "golden path" that if one is to follow, then they will find the favor of the universe and all evil and wrong will cease. That the course of what is broken is straying from this pre-determined path of behavior.

This is a type of philosophical thinking that has been disastrous for the modern age in my opinion, and is a common trap that leftist, liberals and conservatives fall into.

Ultimately "might" is just one's ability to exert their will and influence on the universe, regardless of their intentions. There is no golden path - only chaos and struggle and our ability to persevere through it.
 

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This is assuming that there is a predetermined "right". That there is a "golden path" that if one is to follow, then they will find the favor of the universe and all evil and wrong will cease. That the course of what is broken is straying from this pre-determined path of behavior.
There is no predetermined Right. It's realized in hindsight, where we match future experiences against the retrospective ideal. The missing element to the equation here is the synthesis of the paradox of subjectivity and objectivity. Since both subjectivity and objectivity are both correct simultaneously, the conceptualization for us as individuals isn't easy to see. It's like being zoomed in on a kaleidoscope and realizing there's a bigger picture as you zoom out. Although it's relatively vague and consensus regarding the theme isn't always rigid, concepts like Synchronicity or Resonance play a vital role in this subjective view of Morality.

So to distill things, if you're sitting around wondering if "my right is more right than that guy over there" or not, you're doing it wrong. Your cultivation and exertion of Virtue will render you "Right" regardless of how you conceptualize it. Further, this worry about the aftermath isn't the role of such a performer - it's instead to exert said Virtue after its cultivation. The wider society will fix itself as needed to rebalance our karmic scales.

It's very important to acquire and understand Agency and what it really means. If you cannot correct transgressions against your person, you are in no way Free and you never will be. As such, if scales are tipped too far in one direction or another, it's our job as men of Agency to correct them in a Just manner, using Courage, Wisdom and Temperance, for examples.

Yes, Idealism does have faults. Hubris or Pride can render our idealized visions of "Right" a mirage, but we can't limit ourselves based on what petty grievances our righteous actions will manifest. Then we'll be suffocated, consequently inert.
This is a type of philosophical thinking that has been disastrous for the modern age in my opinion, and is a common trap that leftist, liberals and conservatives fall into.
This is deeply incorrect. You're seeing vivid, passionate discouragement, not "disaster". Do you know how irrational people get when they reach a station of some sort of status, only to be told they've been abusing such a station and need to be corrected? You no longer being able to enter a public space and notice certain ideas is without any question by design.

What you observe is prescribed for you nearly entirely. Your perspective is finely tuned by people that you've never met and the operations are funded by none other than you, yourself, at your day job. This is why Agency is such a prominent theme and needs to be cultivated.
Ultimately "might" is just one's ability to exert their will and influence on the universe, regardless of their intentions. There is no golden path - only chaos and struggle and our ability to persevere through it.
Right is the confluence of syntheses of those chaotic nexuses in our life. To bring Order to Chaos is to experience righteous Virtue and to saturate one's quest for Harmony.
 

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Not always. Also, petty people see pettiness everywhere; if I posted a link to my stuff, it's because I really thought it was related, not just to get (you)s.
It seems this thread isn't for you. All you've managed so far is persistent framing against the OP and me, its writer. Without ever adding anything to the thread, you've instead self-plugged, insisting only in hindsight that your desperate plug was appropriate and that anyone who questions your motive is petty.

Not only that, but in a world filled with phishing attempts and invasive surveillance routines, you think self-plugging with links in response to a thread (without even making a basic attempt at normal human interaction first) like this is appropriate? Wouldn't someone pretty dialed in think this is suspicious? In my world, that's exactly what they'd think.
 

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Which parts do you think are "psychobabble"?

Do you always lead with an insult, not even respond to the OP and end with plugging your own material, with hyperlinks and all? Doesn't this feel like a small thing to do?
I'm not gunna lie man, when i read phrases like "social-genetic mind-entity" and "resonance channel where we can ride the wave of resonance" I just think I'm reading something that would smell like patchouli oil.
Think about the last five or so years. Escalations in Europe, Asia and the Middle East are surely being felt by most of the civilized world. How the hell do we reverse this trend if it's such an increasing problem?

Might

So what is Might, what role does it play in this equation and how can we properly exert the Might needed to fix this predicament? Is Might just words and guns? Is it riches and muscle? Or are there other genres of Might we should consider?

Are the Virtuous Mighty? Who can sunder them if they can't be exploited, if they have Courage and Wisdom, if they act with Temperance and seek Justice?

The answer is simple. In seeking what's Right, Might will follow us in our path, amplifying our presence, our awareness and what we exert. Woe to any who stand in our way.
I think I understand what you're trying to say here: that eventually, if a cause is righteous (whatever that means), they will prevail, because truth will necessitate might, that they're somehow intrinsic to one another.
I dont agree.

Violence and force are extensions of power, not necessarily truth.
 

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I'm not gunna lie man, when i read phrases like "social-genetic mind-entity" and "resonance channel where we can ride the wave of resonance" I just think I'm reading something that would smell like patchouli oil.
The reason "New Age" is so commonly subjected to such diatribes is due to its accessibility. For so long, the way that people maintained authority over you was due to manufactured ignorance. Further, I understand the resistance to invoking Genetics and don't really blame most of you for resisting it. It's a reasonable reaction. Part of the fun is finding new ways to speak about some of the same subjects, however.

Would you rather me use trite buzzwords like "flowstate" or "meme", which many of you seem to elsewhere reject? Hell, we could touch on scrapers and the reasons certain Shibboleth are targeted. How familiar are you with the intricacies of the surveillance apparatus? Do you remember the post the other day where someone spoke about "playing with the filters"? It was a very interesting read. Finally, I'm not going to go climb some arduous mountain to ascertain the level I need to dial all my posts to here. How familiar the audience is or isn't with all of the easter eggs I danced around isn't a concern of mine - only painting the tapestry. I understand you can't appreciate that and that's fine. Just know if you were more familiar with the variety of themes and the reasons I have for drawing attention to them, it might make a bit more sense why I have to phrase all of this certain ways.
I think I understand what you're trying to say here: that eventually, if a cause is righteous (whatever that means), they will prevail, because truth will necessitate might, that they're somehow intrinsic to one another.
I dont agree.
Someone with more Agency might determine it's their intrinsic role to seek and deliver Truth in an effort to channel Will in appropriate ways - ways that are predicated upon what is Right.
Violence and force are extensions of power, not necessarily truth.
I never advocated for violence on purpose. Let's level with each other here. Your forum describes itself as a center for discussing Philosophy and Paranormal. What exactly do you people discuss here, where it's a surprise someone would enter and at times discuss muh new agey stuff and speak to metaphysical themes? Do you normally enact such banal defense mechanisms to defend against muh new agey stuff so ardently? Maybe it's time to decide if this is its own decentralized Mystery School or if you're somewhat of a non-serious watering hole for people who like goofy music and sometimes discussing eccentric subjects. It's odd you'd wane opportunistically between both whenever someone plays with the overton window.
 

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I can agree that philosophy is quite important and that it is important to meditate on matters such as temperance, a virtue, and so-on. The part about aligning yourself to what the wheel of fortune expects of you is also quite insightful, but we differ in the matter of vengeance and might.

Vengeance can only apply if you don't have a view of the full picture. It can easily become 'the voice that allows you to commit the unspeakable'.
Would you say it is fair to hit the dog for eating your dinner? That is vengeance, but it's in the dog's nature to eat tasty food and ultimately the whole thing is your own fault. Only by ignoring this you can feel justified by hitting the dog. Ultimately every human is just a dog and vengeance is just brutal ignorance.
That said, I do not claim to be above vengeance, I'm a beast capable of the unspeakable, like everyone else in the world.

On the matter of might and what is right, I can understand the feeling, but again it only works if we ignore the bigger picture. I wrote a whole explanation but it's funnier if I just ask you this: How is it you are doing right, when in everyone else's eyes you have done wrong?
 

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The 3 primary powers:

The power of secrecy.
The power of charisma.
The power of violence (might).

But remember,
This war doesn't determine who is right only who is left standing tonight.

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Bro saying all that shit just to post a pic of a gal holding one of those goofy 9x19mm ugly conversions manufacturers do for third world countries with fairly heavy gun regulations laws.
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The message would have been better if you used a picture of a third world gal with a .223 REM instead, as it is the our main caliber.
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Bro saying all that shit just to post a pic of a gal holding one of those goofy 9x19mm ugly conversions manufacturers do for third world countries with fairly heavy gun regulations laws.
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The message would have been better if you used a picture of a third world gal with a .223 REM instead, as it is the our main caliber.
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PDF Solider is exactly what I wanted to post here mate.
 
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The "Are we The Baddies" skit came right on my mind reading op.
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I've learned that it does matter that you succeeded, but people will only care about how you do it while in the process. Like an elder criticizing everything you do until everything falls into place and hitting them with that "Ah" moment of final understanding. They are a burden, actively sabotaging any effort by being in the way. That is karma, peoples thoughts, stances and actions or ignorance towards you. And a crowd of people will make an impact on your life, if there is a strong opinion of your persona.
I think it's more willpower and situation than being right, because you will end up on the right tracks if you try something long enough.
 
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The reason "New Age" is so commonly subjected to such diatribes is due to its accessibility. For so long, the way that people maintained authority over you was due to manufactured ignorance. Further, I understand the resistance to invoking Genetics and don't really blame most of you for resisting it. It's a reasonable reaction. Part of the fun is finding new ways to speak about some of the same subjects, however.
No, the reason new age language is rejected in any serious philosophic or scientific discussion is because the language is so ambiguous, so obscuritan, that it can be morphed into any meaning, that is what makes it nigh unfalsifiable. Your statements like, "While I again am not crazy about the overall concept of Karma, it helps us to conceptualize karmic scales as a ubiquity measure whereby harmony is restored via certain events witnessed by our social-genetic mind-entity." are peusdo-profound bullshit. Karmic states are a ubiquity measure? yeah okay man. If you make a post, and people ask what your terms mean, it would go a very long way to explain them and show how they are specific and provable. You're the one making these claims here, not anyone else, the burden of proof lies on you.

Lets take these statements you made:
The necessity of Revenge

Human concepts like Revenge should be understood as a balancing of the Karmic Scales. While I again am not crazy about the overall concept of Karma, it helps us to conceptualize karmic scales as a ubiquity measure whereby harmony is restored via certain events witnessed by our social-genetic mind-entity. Think about the aftermath of a transgression, particularly a non-righteous (as in inspired by Virtue) one, which has no response. Think about the sort of thing that does to a person - how it festers and gyrates. Through exertion of cultivated Virtue, we can balance these scales and ease the peripheral consequences of such a transgression. Most of us have a poor and dichotomized view of Revenge, where it can't possibly be a virtuous endeavor. This is a deeply flawed perspective, one that robs us of agency. Humans cannot live like this and it's a very large reason society is so out of Harmony. As the ledger of karmic transgressions reaches its zenith, we will unfortunately experience the consequences of our current condition. Being so out of touch with metaphysical aspects of ourselves and humanity at large, how can we possibly contain the tangential ramifications of such a karmic imbalance? If no one knows they're carrying around astral shotguns blasting each other all the time because they never kicked their step dad's ass for touching their little sister the wrong ways, we're all going to repeat this cycle of unglued, public displays of insanity.
This treatment of revenge is banal and a tautology. Wow! you're telling me that people experience repercussions because we have a drive to seek revenge and retribution against those that we see as wronging us? You have stated what virtually everyone is aware of just dressed in flowery language. Like, no kidding people who seek revenge do so because they believe they're in the right. Humans have lived like this for centuries and will continue to do so, maybe because you can't comprehend that human history is littered with senseless cycles of violence and warfare that you have these therapeutic ideas of karma and harmony.

I seriously suggest reading this to understand just how basic and inherent violence is to humans:
Would you rather me use trite buzzwords like "flowstate" or "meme", which many of you seem to elsewhere reject? Hell, we could touch on scrapers and the reasons certain Shibboleth are targeted. How familiar are you with the intricacies of the surveillance apparatus? Do you remember the post the other day where someone spoke about "playing with the filters"? It was a very interesting read. Finally, I'm not going to go climb some arduous mountain to ascertain the level I need to dial all my posts to here. How familiar the audience is or isn't with all of the easter eggs I danced around isn't a concern of mine - only painting the tapestry. I understand you can't appreciate that and that's fine. Just know if you were more familiar with the variety of themes and the reasons I have for drawing attention to them, it might make a bit more sense why I have to phrase all of this certain ways.
You're meeting push back because people disagree with you, not because they lack understanding. Its very conceited to think that everyone would agree with your point of view, "if only they understood!"
You're not even engaging in with any of the very long tradition of philosophers who have discussed justice, retribution, violence, force, and their relationship to one another. A basic understanding or discussion of locke's philosophy would go along way here.

And yes, i lived through 9/11 and remember the patriot act, i'm familiar with systems of surviellance.
 

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While I'm not keen on the usual descriptions of Karma, the overall layout of the function seems to describe what's useful well enough: those who align themselves with said resonance channel can easily experience a sort of flow where forces around you conspire to concoct your vision or your goal. The idea of punishment often invoked is misunderstood. It's more like the most accessible pathway for what you put in is dispensed accordingly. The scales of Karma are balanced by Virtue and its lack. You don't put a coin in and get a prize. You put a coin in and everyone splits it evenly (just not physically).
There's a reason why there is an usual description of Karma, because people who actually believe in karma (karma only makes sense if you believe in rebirth) have come to realize pretty quickly that the view that you extol of karma is basically prosperity gospel.
How you enact Revenge matters, however. Balancing scales can be performed in a variety of ways and properly directing energies alongside Virtue confers genuine Harmony, which is the goal of said Revenge. In the end, Revenge isn't punitive, but Harmonious (ie. Justice). As such, it is Right.
Now to someone like me, the concept that revenge is a harmonious thing is idiotic on its face, but a skeptic one would just have to look to every literary canon ever (with some romantic exceptions bucking the rule, like the count of montecristo) is about how revenge is unfulfilling and bad (one must look no further than the trilogy of oedipus by euripides). That's because no matter how well you think you're doing "revenge" it's always gonna look disproportional to the other side. Ya know dude...just read attack on titan or something, it ain't that deep.
 
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so title says that who is louder and got more people is right by definition? vibecharming? (fake it til you make it?)
(similar to thread about if morality, empathy(?-now...) is needed and not actually overused in society, iirc?)
(similar to https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?threads/does-objective-morality-exist.4615/page-2 but not that one...)
i... think i have this thread in mind:

 
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Surely you lot understand, in a forum dedicated to discussion of paranormal stuff, what the 100th Monkey is.

Once again, "Might" is not physical violence. The whole idea of the post is to suggest that said 100th Monkey is an extension of your Will and you can extrapolate it through saturation of your Dunbar Slots. By all means, attempt to saturate your Dunbar Slots with features lacking Virtue and accompanying Resonance. See what happens.

This is an odd situation to be in. I suppose I should be flattered, scaring all of the insightful posters away and conjuring such non-serious posts. Otherwise, I get the message - you only like to play with esoteric themes yourselves and when outsiders make an attempt at fiddling with the scope of discussion, it makes you uncomfortable. It's reasonable, but keener people would at least have a little more fun with the pearls - perhaps roll them around in their palm a bit and enjoy its texture.

The persistent strawmans (seemingly in some sort of effort to draw unwelcome eyes) aren't just discouraging, but repugnant. Out of sheer boredom at this point, I'll be uncharictaristicallly concicse: look into Patrick Ryan. I posted the video in my post history somewhere. Although I don't expect the pervasive apathy in this thread to inspire any of you to suddenly change your apparent routines.