The Asexual Revolution?

[AnHero]

Ever notice how noticeably anti-sexual people are today? I've noticed this isn't even a partisan thing; leftoids cry objectification and rightoids cry degeneracy, but everyone for some reason wants sex off to the side and acts like you're a 'better person' for avoiding it. People joke about sex in an absurdist, usually prohibitive kind of way; something like 'No Nut November' would get zero traction, even ironically, like ten years ago. I believe i scrolled past someone's status post with a sign on someone's door that said "NO SEX ALLOWED", as part of a meme just yesterday.

It's funny that they say they want 'less' sex on screen when from what I've seen it's already pretty low. Watch an average 90s movie and an average movie today (in like, any genre), and the difference is night and day in terms raunch factor and sexual references. I guess it's just one of those things that people are letting get kind of obsolesced by the Internet; "Just watch porn." is something I hear people say when you wonder about this aloud. Which is lame; I mean, I can see some pretty cool action scenes on the Internet, but does that mean I should never hope for a movie with action scenes? I know there are a lot of lame sex scenes (just like there are a lot of lame action scenes), but a good sex scene rocks, and I think people should feel at liberty to write as many sex scenes as they want.

It's interesting that the anon talks about the pre 50s era, since I've noticed certain aspects of current life seem like people are determined to turn the clock back to something similar. (Certainly not the same, of course.) I guess it just makes sense. All the boundaries are way past broken, sexually, except the most heinous stuff. The 'cool' thing now is to act like you're above it all. Whoever it was that said Gen Z would be the 'most conservative' generation since the fifties was apparently right, but it's kind of a 'mirror' conservatism; established largely for progressive reasons.

 

[赤い男]

 

[WanderingPariah]

I remember this subject has been broached in another thread here a little while back. Here's a write-up relating to said previous discussion. Feel free to give it a read

Everyone Is Beautiful and No One Is Horny - Blood Knife

The human body has become a strange contradiction at the heart of the modern blockbuster. Sexy, yes. But sexual? No.

bloodknife.com

 

[LostintheCycle]

Ever notice how noticeably anti-sexual people are today? I've noticed this isn't even a partisan thing; leftoids cry objectification and rightoids cry degeneracy, but everyone for some reason wants sex off to the side and acts like you're a 'better person' for avoiding it.

Then why are porn sites so popular?
This fundamental truth is impenetrable. I was drunk when I wrote this... "impenetrable" ?
People lie. People want to make themselves seem less beholden to sexual desires but they fuckin are no matter what they pretend.

Whoever it was that said Gen Z would be the 'most conservative' generation since the fifties was apparently right, but it's kind of a 'mirror' conservatism; established largely for progressive reasons.

This so called conservatism is play pretend. Try being a real conservative Gen Z. You'd find it stifling, abhorrent, restrictive, idk.
It's just all playing pretend, and at the base of it, it's a lack of sincerity, which is the biggest running theme in Gen Z

 

[AnHero]

Then why are porn sites so popular?
This fundamental truth is impenetrable.
People lie. People want to make themselves seem less beholden to sexual desires but they fuckin are no matter what they pretend.

That's the thing. I think it's a front, too. It's why I'm complaining; if people were less phony we could get more sexuality all around instead of awkward bursts of it that make people want to avoid it and dump it all in porn.

 

[LostintheCycle]

Sexuality is great
I just had sex with my girlfriend, and it was such a touching time, even though we've done it like hundreds of times, it can be mind-blowing every single time
This is denied by zoomers for whatever reason. They think it's just a means to pleasure maybe? For me it's an ends to a beautiful relationship with the mother of my children (future children)
people cannot conceptualize sexuality as being something deeper, and they suffer for it. It can absolutely be deep, amazing, spiritual even, if you want it to be! Or you can let it be something pervy. Its your problem lol
Sex is just a part of life. After all, havent all our parents fucked at least once? It's something you hide because it's between you and your partner, and thats ok, thats how it should be. Its something deeply personal. Though peole don't really have a 'partner' so to speak anymore, people look at you in awe if you say you've been toghether a year. I dont even try tell people I've been with my girl for six because they just can't understand that.
Despite that, the sex is amazing. Because its not about 'differnt views (people)' or whatever, its about loving someone and being wholly truly happy with them, I guess.
That's the whole asexual thing. They know its gross to be sexually with different people, they just havent caught on that they could love one person sexually and romantically.
Maybe I'm spewing a whole lotta bullshit, because I just had 1/2 a bottle of whiskey lol

 

[Sketch Relics]

Actually No Nut November started around 2010 or so, though it was primarily a 4chan exclusive thing at that time.
As for the zoomer reaction, I wonder if it's backlash to the millennial "political sexual" people, the ones whom approve of sexual things openly only if it fits their political persuasion. I've also heard that zoomers want romance, which would make sense since it's something that millennials generally suck at incorporating into fiction.

 

[vulonkaaz]

lust is enslaving us it is only normal and based to be opposed to that

 

[Z0diacK]

I like sex, I have sex with my gf but sometimes I don't want sex. I don't like sex on TV, it makes me feel weird, if I wanna see sex I do it myself. I'm glad people are opposing the weird sexual nature of the modern world, but I also believe that sex should be something that is well-known and not some mystery. Simply stating that it is there and that it is happening. Idk, something like that

 

[№56]

I know there are a lot of lame sex scenes (just like there are a lot of lame action scenes), but a good sex scene rocks, and I think people should feel at liberty to write as many sex scenes as they want.

I honestly can't remember the last movie I saw that had an explicit sex scene that was actually interesting or relevant to the rest of the film in any way. Mulholland Drive, maybe. I agree that movies shouldn't be censored, but most on-screen sex is just gratuitous softcore porn. You could replace it with a hard cut to the morning after in most cases without losing anything important. I think it's actually easier to make an on-screen sexual relationship seem intimate if you don't show the sex, putting it on camea turns it voyeuristic.
Also, people in this thread seem to be confusing visual depictions of sex with sex itself, which is a whole different problem.

 

[Antoine]

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Ever notice how noticeably anti-sexual people are today? I've noticed this isn't even a partisan thing; leftoids cry objectification and rightoids cry degeneracy, but everyone for some reason wants sex off to the side and acts like you're a 'better person' for avoiding it. People joke about sex in an absurdist, usually prohibitive kind of way; something like 'No Nut November' would get zero traction, even ironically, like ten years ago. I believe i scrolled past someone's status post with a sign on someone's door that said "NO SEX ALLOWED", as part of a meme just yesterday.

It's funny that they say they want 'less' sex on screen when from what I've seen it's already pretty low. Watch an average 90s movie and an average movie today (in like, any genre), and the difference is night and day in terms raunch factor and sexual references. I guess it's just one of those things that people are letting get kind of obsolesced by the Internet; "Just watch porn." is something I hear people say when you wonder about this aloud. Which is lame; I mean, I can see some pretty cool action scenes on the Internet, but does that mean I should never hope for a movie with action scenes? I know there are a lot of lame sex scenes (just like there are a lot of lame action scenes), but a good sex scene rocks, and I think people should feel at liberty to write as many sex scenes as they want.

It's interesting that the anon talks about the pre 50s era, since I've noticed certain aspects of current life seem like people are determined to turn the clock back to something similar. (Certainly not the same, of course.) I guess it just makes sense. All the boundaries are way past broken, sexually, except the most heinous stuff. The 'cool' thing now is to act like you're above it all. Whoever it was that said Gen Z would be the 'most conservative' generation since the fifties was apparently right, but it's kind of a 'mirror' conservatism; established largely for progressive reasons.

>4chan screencap of a shitjourno screencap

I love being in touch with culture. Why do "they" do this? Isn't that weird? Gen Z, answer for yourselves (via another shitjourno "article" headline pasted into the /tv/ catalog). I love intercultural discourse. The world is very alive and real right now. Nothing retarded is happening here which needs to be called into question.

 

[AnHero]

I think it's actually easier to make an on-screen sexual relationship seem intimate if you don't show the sex, putting it on camea turns it voyeuristic.

I believe that voyeuristic feeling is an effect of repression. I mean, I notice that you said 'softcore' porn; think about it; are there ever movies that actually take it all the way? Movies that make a full and honest (perhaps at times flawed) exploration of sex? That explore the ins and outs of sex and how it feels/ affect the characters, no holds barred? No, they can't do that; instead they awkwardly work to titillate you, merely to titillate you; to give you a couple tickles in the brain that say; 'this movie has 'sex' in it!!!', before moving on abruptly to the next thing, before they can really 'say' anything about sex, and leaving the audience feeling like it was a scene the movie could have done without.

 

[AnHero]

>4chan screencap of a shitjourno screencap

I love being in touch with culture. Why do "they" do this? Isn't that weird? Gen Z, answer for yourselves (via another shitjourno "article" headline pasted into the /tv/ catalog). I love intercultural discourse. The world is very alive and real right now. Nothing retarded is happening here which needs to be called into question.

What's your take on it? And I don't just mean call me out of touch, (though you can if you want to), I mean, what do you think about sex in entertainment? Is it too much? Is it too little? How do you think it should be depicted? If you've got your finger on the pulse of the culture then your opinion is most valuable of all.

 

[vulonkaaz]

it seems today that all you see
is violence in movies and sex on tv

 

[Antoine]

What's your take on it? And I don't just mean call me out of touch, (though you can if you want to), I mean, what do you think about sex in entertainment? Is it too much? Is it too little? How do you think it should be depicted? If you've got your finger on the pulse of the culture then your opinion is most valuable of all.

Like all things there is no on-paper correct way of going about this. The problem with sex in media is not actually the sex. It's that an on paper approach is exactly where they're coming from. This approach defines virtually all elements of all contemporary "popular" media. To everyone who allegedly has a problem with this (Who? It should go without saying journalism is just gibberish, conspiracy theory, and jews pissing their neurosis into the cultural well. If you want me to take a journalist's premise seriously show me a human being saying what is allegedly being said) my question is "how are you okay with everything else about this garbage?"

There is no right way to do anything in art. Or "entertainment", which we should really call pop-art. The problem with "sex in entertainment" I personally believe is the "entertainment" part. The refusal to be pop-art. The insistence upon a standardised "content" approach, which we can talk about as a kind of mass produced commodity. Where the term "entertainment" comes in. There is no right way to do "entertainment". The premise here is wrong. Talking about journalists like anything they say is real is wrong of course, but there are layers to this.

What is a good "Sex Scene"? The one David Lynch put in Mulholland Drive. There's my example. Apparently it's not allowed on youtube. Maybe that says something about cultural asexuality. Anyway.

Why is it good? Can you take notes on the camera angles and acting and music and get the same effect the next time the script calls for this in whatever the fuck entertainment content is making the totally real asexual zoomers uncomfortable? No. It is good because it is a meaningful piece of an expressive work of art. It is not just more entertainment content. It is not arbitrary. You don't take it or leave it or adjust it. It is an emanation of the will of its creator like every part of the thing and it all becomes more representative of that will the less it is messed with.

The right way is the interesting way and the interesting way is the human way. If a human being making something for their own expression or gratification wants it then I say let them have it. It might be interesting. At the very least it is undeniable that its existence is justified.

Compare that to what we have right now, where the netflix content writer's room (basically GPT but worse) is creating entertainment, and they understand that sex is something humans allegedly have/do/like/hate/feel things about so they put some in, and then they monitor reactions and try to tune for more engagement. The problem here is not that human (hah) chatGPT is putting sex on tv. It's that a process this inhuman and retarded is allowed to exist and monopolise the resources that should be going to real arts.

 

[imnotdeadyet]

From my experience all these "anti-sex" people aren't anti-sex at all and end up being exposed for some degenerate shit. Especially the fake conservative and overly policing types.

People joke about sex in an absurdist, usually prohibitive kind of way; something like 'No Nut November' would get zero traction, even ironically, like ten years ago.

NNN is not an anti sex thing afaik. It's more an anti masturbation thing and the whole semen retention meme. Although I guess technically sex wouldn't be allowed during that time either, but I don't think anyone that has sex does NNN.

 

[turntableToothache]

I am always reminded of that disgusting sex scene from Matrix Reloaded between Trinity and Neo, a lifeless interaction of two characters who have zero chemistry with each other, that results in one of the most uncomfortable moments of a film that is supposed to be about Gun Fu action scenes, all while a shitty rave music plays in the background.


View: https://youtu.be/UiocUhpnBmk?si=RvWdZbLapY3U8On5


From this, I gather that the current generation's issue with sex in film does not stem from a puritan morality (although I am sure many do, in a way), but rather it is because Hollywood and millenials can't write romance for shit, therefore their sex scenes are awkward to watch, because there is not a drop of chemistry between either character.

 

[Soloninja]

it seems today that all you see
is violence in movies and sex on tv

Ironically family guy was right this whole time.

 

[Placeholder]

The same people that freak out over a sex scene have pornhub open on the same browser

 

[RisingThumb]

Source for the OP image- Guardian article. Study in question. There's a lot interesting here, and it references another study here talking about singles in America. By the way OP, next time you start a thread like this, you should at least make an effort to source things like this. Threads like this on 4chan which take a screenshot and don't source the original article, are low effort threads.

From the methodology at the back of the article:

CSS utilized a research panel from Alchemer, a survey data collection service and platform based in the United States (U.S.). We sampled adolescents from across the U.S. during August 2023. The finalized sample included 1,500 adolescents (with 15 age groups from ages 10 to 24; each age group containing 100 respondents). Among these, 20% were younger adolescents (ages 10-12), 33.3% were middle adolescents (ages 13-17), and 46.7% were older adolescents (ages 18-24). For gender, 49.5%identified as female, 46.6% as male, 1.6% as nonbinary, 0.9% as gender fluid, and the remaining 1.4%indicated that they "were not sure yet," "preferred not to say," or "self-described." In terms of race, the adolescents identified as White/Caucasian (52.2%), Black/African American (20.1%), Hispanic and/or Latine (13.5%), Asian/Asian American (5.8%), Multiracial (4.3%), Native American (1%), Middle Eastern/North African (0.9%), Pacific Islander (0.6%), and others (1.6%). Geographically, respondents were from the South (39.7%), Midwest (21.5%), Northeast (21.5%), and West (17.3%). With regard to sexuality, the majority of respondents identified as heterosexual or straight (63.7%), followed by bisexual (13%), asexual (7.2%), gay or lesbian (3.7%), prefer not to say (3.1%), pan sexual (2.9%), and other (6.4%). About 17.6% of the adolescents reported that they identified as a person with a disability(this includes those who identified as having a mental and/or physical disability and/or condition). When asked at which age they started using social media, the responses varied widely. 19.4% of them indicated at age 10 or younger, 11.9% at age 11, 15.5% at age 12, 15.3% at age 13, 11.1% at age 14, 8.1% at age 15, 4.9% at age 16, 2.1% at age 17, 3.4% at age 18 or older, and 8.3% did not use social media.

I'm just going to point out from the project description this quote:

Respondents closely reflected the U.S. Census in terms of race and gender

They haven't bothered matching it according to disability. There is over-representation in disability, as 13% of America has a disability(and it's worthwhile considering this includes the older population which are MORE LIKELY to be disabled just by having lived longer), and here it's ~18%(though this might just be indicative of the increasing diagnosis or self-diagnosis issues, as it just mentions identified). The US Census has no questions about sexuality, but it's noteworthy that this is 37% of young Americans asked not identifying as Straight. It becomes 24% when you include bisexuals as straight as well. To me, these numbers aren't surprising, but a bit alarming and indicative of the nature of Americans as a sexually frustrated nation. I'm not surprised a lot of them are going single too(from the study about singles), who'd want to date a wide American woman that gives a lot of attitude, is ugly, has to turn their face into a baked pastry of makeup to look appealing(and equivalent who'd want to date an American incel). Does anyone have pointers to similar studies to compare the sexuality in the 50s?

Addressing this:

I've noticed this isn't even a partisan thing; leftoids cry objectification and rightoids cry degeneracy, but everyone for some reason wants sex off to the side and acts like you're a 'better person' for avoiding it

This is because people hold sex as an almost holy act, and doing it "wrong" is sacrilegious to... your religion, your family, your culture, your ideology etc... LostInTheCycle has practically demonstrated this:

people cannot conceptualize sexuality as being something deeper, and they suffer for it. It can absolutely be deep, amazing, spiritual even, if you want it to be! Or you can let it be something pervy. Its your problem lol
Sex is just a part of life. After all, havent all our parents fucked at least once? It's something you hide because it's between you and your partner, and thats ok, thats how it should be. Its something deeply personal. Though peole don't really have a 'partner' so to speak anymore, people look at you in awe if you say you've been toghether a year. I dont even try tell people I've been with my girl for six because they just can't understand that.

I don't believe it's about conceptualising it deeper, but conceptualising it differently- like talking about God, Allah or Yahweh when talking to people following the Abrahamic faiths(and further their sects). Even Christians disagree on the nature of the Trinity. Of course people will tell you how to have sex, it's a part of life, their's included- and when others have sex the same way they do, it poorly justifies it by the herd.

As for whether or not Sex is done right on the screen... I'll take this quote from Hayao Miyazaki regarding anime

"You see, whether you can draw like this or not, being able to think up this kind of design, it depends on whether or not you can say to yourself, 'Oh, yeah, girls like this exist in real life."
"If you don't spend time watching real people, you can't do this, because you've never seen it."
"Some people spend their lives interested only in themselves."
"Almost all Japanese animation is produced with hardly any basis taken from observing real people, you know."
"It's produced by humans who can't stand looking at other humans."
"And that's why the industry is full of otaku!"

The issue is the same as porn. They don't actually exist in real life and have no basis in reality. In fact, a lot of TV, Film and Anime all do this. I'll let Luke Smith ramble on for 13 minutes for this point though.

Also just because it got a chuckle out of me, have this gem from the study: