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the fall of LBRY Inc./Odysee and the future of alternative video hosting

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it seems LBRY Inc. lost its legal battle against the SEC and will now disappear due to having too much debt

from what i've understood the odysee website will have to be sold to someone else and who knows what they might do with the website, the LBRY network is p2p and will work as long as there are enough peers to back it up (my feeling is that there won't be enough peers)

where do we go from now ? it seems like the biggest alternative to youtube will likely disappear sometimes soon
 
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Serious question: why doesn't pornhub, xvideos etc. run a competitor to youtube? Surely they have the infrastructure to pull it off...
 
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Serious question: why doesn't pornhub, xvideos etc. run a competitor to youtube? Surely they have the infrastructure to pull it off...
maybe its just not lucrative enough tho i have absolutely no idea how sites like that even are profitable in the first place the large majority of people just log on jerk off for two minutes then go away where does the money actually come from ?
 
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It started as a genuine competition to youtube but died a shitty crypto scam. It proved it had infrastructure to pull it off, they had a usable and efficient UI in lbry domain then fucked it all up to make it look like a shitty crypto rugpull. It was such a awful service that was filled with bad design choices.

They made videos follow you between urls and it wouldn't let me disable that.
The site was more bloated than fucking youtube, it made my computer lag and made it far slower than youtube.(speed issues related to servers is fine, speed issues because of bloat isn't)
There was a builtin notification that wouldn't go away in the notification tab soo you never knew if you had actual notification or not.
There was a crypto project builtin but it required a discord server to register soo i didn't do it but it never stopped nagging me about it
It was filled with shitty far right people obsessed with cartoons, every tag was filled with them which made me think they promote them. Thats a stupid thing to do when they had good creators like Danny Dreadfull and Mental outlaw
 
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Using that site always felt disgusting, if you want people to move from Youtube to your site, why would you make it as equally soulless in its UI design? It is up to preference, but who would want their video-sharing website to look like a website for Apple's toothpaste company? Cryptobros can implement any feature into their projects except for pleasant aesthetics. ( :schitztroll::schitztroll::schitztroll:I HATE MINIMALISM I HATE MINIMALISM I HATE MINIMALISM :schitztroll::schitztroll::schitztroll:)
 
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Only viable option is peertube. Maybe we will see a situation like
lemmy/>redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk or twitter/mastodon.


See difference:



View: https://youtu.be/zrEwHn7XmRU





There are still a couple things they need to add to Peertube for it to be
a viable alternative. I want to see a popular mobile app, better
functionality, better design, some popular general instances, and some popular
content creators to move over. Just need the right people at the right place at
the right time in order to make it happen.
 

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maybe its just not lucrative enough tho i have absolutely no idea how sites like that even are profitable in the first place the large majority of people just log on jerk off for two minutes then go away where does the money actually come from ?
Have you ever went to one? They have a shit ton of ads (video ads, banner ads, popups), also a lot of them have their own camwhore services and premium services and I think channel memberships, so I imagine they're taking a cut of the profits from those.
Though I know at one point some people who were sick of youtube were signing up to pornhub to post non-porn videos simply due to their easy verification process (you just gotta send a selfie with your username to be verified on pornhub and xvideos) so I don't see why they haven't capitalised off of this. My guess is that they're just fine with being porn websites, they get plenty of money already and they probably don't expect respectable creators to touch anything they've made, so honestly why bother?
 
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Only viable option is peertube. Maybe we will see a situation like
lemmy/>redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk or twitter/mastodon.
my thought exactly, i wish there were more landchads willing to pay for their own peertube servers instead of leeching off youtube and lbry tho its too hard to find good content on peertube luke smith is literally the only one that i know

(please don't write in white tho i literally can't see the text on the Sandy Beach theme)

Have you ever went to one? They have a shit ton of ads (video ads, banner ads, popups)
i actually always felt like adverts were a scam not for me but a scam for whoever buys the ad spot i just can't imagine those being profitable how is it possible that enough people are clicking the ads and buying whatever it's selling i just can't believe that
 
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i actually always felt like adverts were a scam not for me but a scam for whoever buys the ad spot i just can't imagine those being profitable how is it possible that enough people are clicking the ads and buying whatever it's selling i just can't believe that
I suppose if your fetish is specific enough, people are willing to pay money for content of it.
 
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also a problem i have with peertube is that their peer to peer thing seem very janky and not working very well this would probably easily be solved if they had a desktop client which would work like a normal bittorrent client or something or like LBRY except not junk

i also have yet to understand how i can seed videos last time i checked there weren't any webtorrent client i could like easily run on my server it was a long time ago tho maybe it changed since
 
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where do we go from now ? it seems like the biggest alternative to youtube will likely disappear sometimes soon
Rumble seems like the best option for now

maybe its just not lucrative enough tho i have absolutely no idea how sites like that even are profitable in the first place
Serious question: why doesn't pornhub, xvideos etc. run a competitor to youtube? Surely they have the infrastructure to pull it off...
Porn is a very large and sparsely regulated market, money per person ad wise is laughable but the sheer amount of people make it worthwhile for both the advertiser and "publisher". People are also dumb and get even dumber when horny so click the dumbest ads, the also put up with more shit like popup ads. The only market that has shadier and scummier ad networks are sites that deal with piracy. For porn networks to go into the regular video streaming market they'd have to revamp their whole money making scheme. Pornhub actually wanted to make a youtube competitor at some point but backtracked it real quick.
 
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Rumble seems like the best option for now
you mean this meme of a website ?
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they could easily have just ignored my government's DMs like every normal website do but no those wiggers decided to be real bitches about it i don't think we should let people as immature as that be in charge of our free speech
 
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they could easily have just ignored my government's DMs like every normal website do but no those wiggers decided to be real bitches about it i don't think we should let people as immature as that be in charge of our free speech
Yeah fair enough, but i don't know any other alternative that could have a chance against Youtube when you consider all challenges. Peertube instances are there and an option but it's an equivalent to running a mastodon instance with 0 reach. Until a new competitor turns up Rumble is the best option imo. Well unless you're French.

Oh and I guess there's also vidlii if you don't mind frontpage gore and questionable security, they let you upload pretty much anything there, besides porn. Oh and they ignore DMCA takedowns.
 
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Serious question: why doesn't pornhub, xvideos etc. run a competitor to youtube? Surely they have the infrastructure to pull it off...
A large percentage of mindgeek is owned by [famous motorcycle club](organized crime) and and It would be unwise to try to compete (or even have the resources to) with google(government)
WGCZ Holding also has ties to multiple balkan mafias.
 
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maybe its just not lucrative enough tho i have absolutely no idea how sites like that even are profitable in the first place the large majority of people just log on jerk off for two minutes then go away where does the money actually come from ?
You have no idea how much money hardcore Coomers are willing to spend. And I'm not talking about the people who jerkoff several times a week and have convinced themselves that they're porn addicts. I'm talking about ppl who develop fetishes so specific that they blow their entirely monthly salary on commissioned art, or the types of people who can't go several hours without touching their dicks.

While I don't know the specifics of how, since in a way I'm just as confused as you are, I'm sure they've found someway to exploit the hardcore coomer demographic that we aren't aware of
 
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You have no idea how much money hardcore Coomers are willing to spend. And I'm not talking about the people who jerkoff several times a week and have convinced themselves that they're porn addicts. I'm talking about ppl who develop fetishes so specific that they blow their entirely monthly salary on commissioned art, or the types of people who can't go several hours without touching their dicks.

While I don't know the specifics of how, since in a way I'm just as confused as you are, I'm sure they've found someway to exploit the hardcore coomer demographic that we aren't aware of
Interestingly enough I've heard porn sites are the hardest to get CC processing for, due to the fact that coomers will get post-nut clarity and attempt a chargeback, making porn companies "high risk" to process for.
they could easily have just ignored my government's DMs like every normal website do but no those wiggers decided to be real bitches about it i don't think we should let people as immature as that be in charge of our free speech
Rumble (NASDAQ:RUM) is a publicly traded company, which means that the moment they do something inconvenient for shareholders (like stand for their principles), they'd get sued by them. Good luck having conspiracy videos about blackrock on rumble when they're the 3rd biggest shareholder lmao.
 
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Also, since I now have the domain i wanted, I will be setting up videos.digitalcheese.xyz soon for myself to laugh at the alt-tech platforms which keep dying off with my own service that will last as long as I want it to (yay). This'll be fun, tho I gotta port the videos I really want to port over from YT/Odysee and even Rumble to my website.
 
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Good luck having conspiracy videos about blackrock on rumble when they're the 3rd biggest shareholder lmao.
Are they actually? Because I was watching a BlackRock conspiracy video on there from a decent sized channel not too long ago. It would appear they've remained surprisingly principled so far.
 
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