The people behind Bluesky is fucking stupid

[Anonicus]

Bluesky: An Open Social Web - Bluesky

We're excited to announce that the Bluesky network is federating and opening up in a way that allows you to host your own data.

bsky.social

So today Bluesky announced they will be moving towards Federation, Similar to "Mastodon" (Which Ahem ACKTCHUALLY it's a piece of software that accesses ActivityPub which is a protocol that's part of the "Fediverse").

However, This isn't much of a bad idea in general, It would help in the long run for server data and all that...

What makes them fucking stupid is how they compared their ideas to "Mastodon".

Now for the record, I often use Instances that uses either Pleroma or Misskey, And I have been around these platforms for like 2 years now.


Let me go through the more important part that really activates my almonds.

"Does this mean Bluesky is going to be like Mastodon?" section​

"A focus on the global conversation: On Mastodon, your "instance", or server, determines your community, so your experience depends on which server you join. An instance can send and receive posts from other instances, but it doesn't try to offer a global view of the network. Your Mastodon server is part of your username, and becomes part of your identity. On Bluesky, your experience is based on what feeds and accounts you follow, and you can always participate in the global conversation (e.g. breaking news, viral posts, and algorithmic feeds). You can use your own domain name as your username, and continue participating from anywhere your account is hosted."

What this basically means is that Bluesky, For some reason, Thinks you can't interact with a global feed on Fediverse when in reality... You can actually, and anyone who's been on Fediverse for 5 minutes can tell you that there is this thing called a "Global Network". Top Fediverse Instances have indeed blocked so many instances that you might be able to only see a few different places or if any at all. Again, They are either Lying obviously or they're actually fucking stupid.

"Composable moderation: Moderation on Bluesky is not tied to your server, like it is on Mastodon. Defederation, a way of addressing moderation issues in Mastodon by disconnecting servers, is not as relevant on Bluesky because there are other layers to the system. Server operators can set rules for what content they will host, but tools like blocklists and moderation services are what help communities self-organize around moderation preferences. We've already integrated block and mute lists, and the tooling for independent moderation services is coming soon."​

Litterally, You can actually find blocklists for Fediverse instances. You can litterally do all of that on Fediverse, Seriously. I mean hell, I have accidentally stumbled across them when doing unrelated things before. Again either being stupid or trying to make Fediverse look really bad and featureless (Which funny enough, Bluesky has a lot less features on their platform than any other piece of Fediverse software. Reflecting aren't you Bluesky?)

"Composable feeds: We designed your timeline on Bluesky so that it's not tied to your server. Anyone can build a feed, and there are currently over 40,000 algorithmic feeds to choose from. Your Mastodon timeline is only made up of posts from accounts you follow, and does not pull together posts from the whole network like Bluesky's custom feeds."

Oh wow gee really huh? Are you serious or are you actually that fucking dumb? Guess what, SAME HERE YOU DIMWITS. I too have feeds dedicated to the people I follow, A mixture of both the Local network and the people I follow and, huh, what's the last one? Oh yeah, GLOBAL TIMELINE. Holy fucking shit, you cannot and absolutely cannot be this damn serious.

"Account portability: We designed federated hosting on Bluesky so that you can move servers easily. Moving hosting services should be like changing your cell phone provider — you should be able to keep your identity and data. Changing servers on Bluesky doesn't disrupt your username, friends, or posts."

Are they serious? Have they not looked into the settings? I mean, I have not used the Mastodon software itself but, uhhh. Yeah, So does Fediverse. Again, Either dumb or trying to manipulate people into trying to host their proprietary software so that they won't have to worry about costs (And it's exactly the reason why).


Now let me be clear, I understand why people does not wanna use Fediverse at all, Trust me there's good reasons and I'm not trying to convince anymore. But for a company to go out of their way to slander FOSS like this is unacceptable. But holy fuck, what a way to try and convince people to do their work huh?

 

[Hadrian Hardrada Cicero]

Me and @Aral made a $50 bet if bluesky ends up failing or not and so far, it looks I'm going to win the bet (⌐■_■) (maybe)

In all seriousness, making an alternative media platform out of pure spite because you don't like Mr. Musk is just laughable, it's twitter or bust, like it is with YouTube.

Also, Mastodon is filled to be brim with disgusting progressivist pedos and such. I think I may have commented on that there.

 

[Anonicus]

Also, Mastodon is filled to be brim with disgusting progressivist pedos and such. I think I may have commented on that there.

On the contrary, There are also a bunch of neo-nazis and white supremacists I've came across on there too.
Though there are some instances that are generally good like Fosstodon and all that. But yeah, it's definitely not really the best place either as it's an prime example of What if users took control of an platform instead of a big corporate entity.

You either get a cleaner place with unwanted shit thrown your way or that you get a Shitty place with clean features. There's really no winning on it.

 

[Hadrian Hardrada Cicero]

On the contrary, There are also a bunch of neo-nazis and white supremacists I've came across on there too.
Though there are some instances that are generally good like Fosstodon and all that. But yeah, it's definitely not really the best place either as it's an prime example of What if users took control of an platform instead of a big corporate entity.

You either get a cleaner place with unwanted shit thrown your way or that you get a Shitty place with clean features. There's really no winning on it.

Maybe so but I have the benefit of the doubt these 'far-right' chambers don't stick around a lot which is why you don't really see them anywhere other than /pol/.

 

[Anonicus]

Maybe so but I have the benefit of the doubt these 'far-right' chambers don't stick around a lot which is why you don't really see them anywhere other than /pol/.

Oh trust me, there's a couple I have seen that's been around for many years.
Kiwifarms, Wolfgirl, poast (That has actually had news coverage for some of the shit that went down around there). But yeah there's been a couple I have seen and later been blocked by the instance i'm on.

 

[Hadrian Hardrada Cicero]

Kiwifarms,

I am sad to know that not many people have heard of Ethan Ralph because I can tell you right now that the Farms makes fun of EVERYONE, including right-leaning folk as well.

Hell, they even made seperate boards for these kinds of people.

https://kiwifarms.st/forums/grift-wars.132/

https://kiwifarms.st/forums/ethan-ralph-da-sektur.113/

Never heard of wolfgirl before though.

 

[Anonicus]

Never heard of wolfgirl before though.

Wolfgirl is a personal experience because I did talk to someone I thought was alright but then later made posts towards someone calling them the n word a lot and learned apparently that person wasn't the only one doing it on the instance.

 

[Regal]

In all seriousness, making an alternative media platform out of pure spite because you don't like Mr. Musk is just laughable, it's twitter or bust, like it is with YouTube.

I was in the Bluesky pilot when it was invite only. It wasn't anything different than what I would see on Twitter but with way smaller of a userbase. Not sure what exactly their mission was or what problem they were trying to solve. It really did just feel like an anti-Musk movement.

 

[Hadrian Hardrada Cicero]

I was in the Bluesky pilot when it was invite only. It wasn't anything different than what I would see on Twitter but with way smaller of a userbase. Not sure what exactly their mission was or what problem they were trying to solve. It really did just feel like an anti-Musk movement.

It's always funny that so many people bitch about Twitter or any other Social Media platform being sucky and then someone who take overs the platform decides to do amazing reforms within the platform to make it bearable and such, only to be bitched at because they happen to be the ONE person their ideology don't align with the mass. Like fucking Tapestry yo, it's hilarious.

 

[GENOSAD]

it's definitely not really the best place either as it's an prime example of What if users took control of an platform instead of a big corporate entity.

I'm not going to point out the pro-corporate implications of this. I'm going to let you look at them for yourself and think about what you just said.

 

[pain]

federation just sucks, if i move to a different website i want to see different people not the same people

 

[Anonicus]

I'm not going to point out the pro-corporate implications of this. I'm going to let you look at them for yourself and think about what you just said.

They often provide the bare minimum to satisfy the masses all the while having the most amount of people around, Milking them of their precious data and selling it to other companies for that sweet sweet profit. The worst part? There's people who knows about it and still willingly become okay with it for the satisfaction that they get being on that platform. Even if some of the vile shit that people tend to post online, It's more mild in comparison being around places that independent people runs. Yet the average joe would rarely come across it on the platform.
They will look at other sites and go "Why would I use that? That place is filled with really bad people, I will never attempt to go to these places. I will stay right here on Xitter!". Or they just look at the general populus of a place and refuse to stick around.

Sorry, Was that too Pro-Corporate of me to say?
Honestly I was just going about how it is really, How people often view places and such. I have a friend that I recently argued about the Fediverse who is in that same exact mindset up above. He will complain about things, But continue using these services in the end.

I have seen many people complain about, Y'know, AI and they will stick with these websites that sells the data for AI farming ironically enough. But because it's not direct with them, They don't think about these things and continue to get that dopamine hit from other kinds of posts they see.

As for the people running these places, They can be vile, They can be nice. And because of how Arbiturary it is for what might be okay and what not, Makes it unappealing to the masses.
But, It's the cost for the complete freedom that we have on here, It maybe chaotic, But that's what I actually love about being on this part of the internet with no corporations. That we as individuals can sit in a comfy spot and talk to our hearts content, to truly be ourselves and not have to fake being a person. The liberating feeling of having my own personal site to myself to show the world that this is what I actually am, Is great. The free and open source software that's out there being contributed by people in their free time to allow us to build these platforms is amazing. They're doing it in their spare time, passion and not much to look for profits.

Listen, I'm just simply pointing out in the end why, People prefers to be on the corporate side instead of being with us. You may disagree with how I view it personally and well, spoiler alert I prefer being with the people than the corporate side of the internet. I just look at the entire place as a whole rather than just one aspect. If something is bad, Why do people use said thing anyway? And the answer is that people look more at the part that they want instead of thinking about the moral delimma of being on said platform.

 

[nsequeira119]

Making an alternative to Twitter makes no sense, it's like making an alternative to McDonald's or something

 

[Hadrian Hardrada Cicero]

Making an alternative to Twitter makes no sense, it's like making an alternative to McDonald's or something

 

[Hadrian Hardrada Cicero]

Listen, I'm just simply pointing out in the end why, People prefers to be on the corporate side instead of being with us.

That makes it sound like you're no different than the very thing you're try to be against. In which case I might add, that sounds fucking collectivist as hell.

 

[containercore]

Briefly used mastodon. I think it's something of a misconception to say it's full of pedos. Basically since federation is open source and anyone can make their own version, there were and probably still are instances, especially in the early days, that were completely unmoderated. This was a major problem on Pixiv's mastodon instance pawoo for example. Null, of Kiwifarms fame, talked about this moderation issue a lot when Kiwifarms made it's own fediverse thing, people would inevitably spam it with CSAM, creating an incredibly unpleasant situation for the jannies who had to clean it all up. From what I understand mastodon proper (I'm not 100% sure how these things are divided, it's all very confusing) blocks traffic between itself and instances that are deemed problematic, so this kind of thing was never a problem when I simply used the mainstream instance called mastodon (which is where all the ebul progressivist journos were).

But I think this problem, which is one that might be inevitable whenever there's a new frontier of the internet, has led to some misconceptions about peoples motives for using mastodon in the first place. There's a common narrative in the chudosphere that journalists are promoting mastodon because they themselves are pedophiles, but as mentioned, that stuff is pretty much completely relegated to fringe instances and not "mastodon proper". Basically it's conflating two entirely separate userbases that have nothing to do with each other, because it fits into a political narrative (everyone who disagrees with me is a pedophile). You don't really have to dig very deep to find people's reasons for wanting to leave twitter, it fucking sucks.

The real issue with mastodon is that it's like a boring clone of twitter with hardly any users, that somehow also feels like using reddit.

Bluesky I'm a little more optimistic on, although I've seen so many of these social media sites come and go, simply because it doesn't have an algorithm. Your feed is chronological and consists only of stuff the people you follow are posting/sharing. It's organic in a way that something with a heavily weighted algorithm like twitter can't be. You can have 10K followers on twitter and get the same amount of engagement as someone with under 1K followers on bluesky.

It's always funny that so many people bitch about Twitter or any other Social Media platform being sucky and then someone who take overs the platform decides to do amazing reforms within the platform to make it bearable and such, only to be bitched at because they happen to be the ONE person their ideology don't align with the mass. Like fucking Tapestry yo, it's hilarious.

Yeah amazing reforms like deciding to charge $16/month for tweetdeck, the only thing which made the site usable in the first place and which used to be 100% free. The verification fiasco where anyone could impersonate anyone else for $8. Adding "Grok", a useless AI chatbot based on the Cringehiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the redditest book of all time. And of course, rebranding the entire website to a name so retarded people still outright refuse to use it. The site was garbage before Elon bought it and it's worse now by every metric. The bot problem is worse than it's ever been and that was the main thing he claimed he was going to fix. I guess he did provide amnesty for the worst users on the site (which I'm going to guess is the amazing reform you're referring to), who came back in droves and turned my whole timeline into /pol/ so I guess that's epic, but it ultimately just made me close my account for good.

 

[Hadrian Hardrada Cicero]

The site was garbage before Elon bought it and it's worse now by every metric.

and that's why I made a bet with Aral earlier.

 

[Anonicus]

That makes it sound like you're no different than the very thing you're try to be against. In which case I might add, that sounds fucking collectivist as hell.

It honestly sounds pretty bad, But I guess there's really no winning with anything on my end. I go to these people and talk about how great these other places have been and ultimately get stabbed with their reasons. I bring their own reasonings around to the other side with the dash of them being exploited and also get kicked around.

Truthfully, I really don't like how people often gets shown that they are being exploited by these Corporations and yet continue to delve into it, Forever being a self energizing gear in the big business that's continuously rusting more and more on a daily basis. Everytime I try using these places for the sake of my own friends, I never really last long. People loves to argue with each other in a vicious ways and proceed to even slander to become on top of others. In the meantime, They collect that data and even fuel their personalized feed with more things similar to it.

In the end, my words really mean nothing here. People will have their own reasons why they either do one thing or another with what they want. It may sound like I'm just someone who gave up on trying to show a better side of the internet but it's really a reflection of how my friends and others I've talked to feel.

As for myself, Overtime I have been making more and more decisions and stepping away from all these big company things in favor of a more Personal/FOSS kind of landscape on my own. Even if that means leaving everyone else behind which makes me sad. I did leave hints on where to find me if they need me. Though, I do like these places a lot better than what's on the surface in the end, But that's my personal feeling towards these things.

 

[llillilll]

and that's why I made a bet with Aral earlier.

what is the criteria for her win and yours? if you are talking about the site going off, thats unlikely because even sites with 0 users can be kept alive by bots. Twitter was basically a glorified bot playground with stupid people scattered here and there, bluesky can go that route too.
If the bet is based on "fail" or "success" admitted by the CEO or the user count, corporations rarely admit failure, for bluesky's spesific case there is even a political reason to not admit failure. They would fill the site top to bottom with bots before they would admit defeat. Bluesky's admins also show that they are willing to make shit up to look better than the competition as we can see from the mastodon "analysis" they made.
The person that bet on bluesky's failure will lose.

 

[Hobo8239]

amazing reforms

Ok I'll bite, what "amazing reforms" are you talking about?
Bumping up blue checkmarks in every thread? wowowowoowow