The remoteness of online suicide

[Punp]

I think an acquaintance I know on Twitter committed suicide yesterday. He's been going on about this woman that broke up with him for over a year now and today he posted "I'll have to live with this forever. No thanks."

This isn't my first rodeo. Over the years I've known people who would vaguepost so their friends would get worried and then they'd turn out fine and pretend like it wasn't their intention. I've known people who would try to "win" arguments by holding themselves hostage.

Suicide now isn't the shocking world pivot it used to be for me. It just feels like someone quit the internet or moved jobs or went to live in another country.

Is this a common trait among people who have been on the internet for a long time? Are we doomed to become emotionally dead? What do younger users feel about this topic?

 

[Jodo_Fan]

Isn't that kinda a normal emotional response to the death of an online acquaintance? It's like when you're watching the news (call me a boomer, if you will), you're not gutted on a visceral level by every terrible event that flits across your screen. Life would be hell otherwise. That said, some things do punch through for whatever reason. I also presume you'd have a stronger response to the suicide of an acquaintance irl, or even a close internet friend?

From the opposite perspective, I was quite surprised by how unsettled I was by the recent suicide of Ed Piskor, the comic book artist and YouTuber. He killed himself a week or two into being the target of an online witch hunt. I'd never so much as exchanged an email with the dude, but it really, really shook me up. Which is odd.

As for internet desensitization, far more worrying, to me, is the way many people on social media excitedly treat distant conflicts as team sports. Before coming off Twitter, I remember seeing a young man in the Russia/Ukraine war filming himself when he suddenly takes a hit from some kind of heavy round. The kid started screaming his head off in agony. It was truly awful. But the inhumanly worst part of it all was the comments section below the video. It was filled to the brim with people making edgy, team-aligned jokes.

That kind of giddy, willful desensitization absolutely terrifies me.

 

[Punp]

Isn't that kinda a normal emotional response to the death of an online acquaintance? It's like when you're watching the news (call me a boomer, if you will), you're not gutted on a visceral level by every terrible event that flits across your screen. Life would be hell otherwise. That said, some things do punch through for whatever reason. I also presume you'd have a stronger response to the suicide of an acquaintance irl, or even a close internet friend?

Yes, I suppose it really is that media-distance of celebrity death. Everyone reacted so strongly to Robin Williams dying because they were emotionally invested in his films which were built to be emotionally engaging. With people online there's a wall of distance I've put up since getting too emotionally invested in the past. This will be the core factor.

That kind of giddy, willful desensitization absolutely terrifies me.

I agree. You see it with the Israel/Gaza conflict too. This is willfully propagated by propagandists who are looking for that online backing. You also have to consider how much of that is bot responses and how much of it is hybrots who have eaten the bait... and now we're back onto dead internet theory.

 

[silktrader]

why would you care about someone you met online and dont even think is close enough to be a friend? why do you think not feeling anything at their suicide is a bad thing? you have no real life experience with him. you didnt meet him at a bar, you didnt go on to have memorable outings and moments with one another, you didnt go through the painful experience of watching his slow deteroitation. you probably dont even know what he looks like. yeah youre not gonna feel anything because theres no emotional attachment or sudden change to your real world life. all his death means is you wont see a specific picture and some words of text pop up on your screen every once in a while.

 

[Aral]

Acquaintance you know on Twitter killed himself. Keywords: acquaintance, Twitter. You did not know this guy personally in any way, and on top of that, you knew him through Twitter. AKA, social media. It's not being "emotionally dead" to not be so shaken about the suicide of somebody you only knew superficially like that. You weren't friends with him, you had no memories, as silktrader said above he was little more than words on your screen. If there was no picture of him, you don't know what he looked like, so you had nothing to attach to, basically. He might as well have been not real.

It's normal to have weaker bonds with people you know only through the internet and even moreso if you don't know each other personally. That's just how it is, our brains don't have as much empathy for words on a screen rather than for someone who is in front of you, or in a video call, or someone you have the picture (a point of reference) of. You'd be shaken if it was someone you knew in real life, or say, a former classmate, or someone you were a little closer to, even if you don't need to be friends with somebody to be affected by this kind of event. And if it was one of your online friends, I guarantee that you'd feel at least like shit for a while.

I really don't think you're as emotionally dead as you think you are. Just a normal dude who doesn't get worked up about randos, like most people.

EDIT: saw your reply.

With people online there's a wall of distance I've put up since getting too emotionally invested in the past. This will be the core factor.

I think you answered your own question.

 

[Jodo_Fan]

You also have to consider how much of that is bot responses and how much of it is hybrots who have eaten the bait

Your first point maybe makes me feel a little better. The second is why I laugh when people worry about some future scary AI destroying humanity....... um, where the fuck have you been?

Everyone reacted so strongly to Robin Williams dying because they were emotionally invested in his films which were built to be emotionally engaging.

I still shed a little honky tear every time I remember Tom Petty is dead. When Springsteen goes, I shall wear black for at least a year.

and now we're back onto dead internet theory.

With people online there's a wall of distance I've put up since getting too emotionally invested in the past.

So you got screwed over by an online friend in the past? If so, the reticence is understandable, sure. But if I'm being honest, you still come across like a friendly, helpful (if a little dour) guy, so....

 

[punisheddead]

I think an acquaintance I know on Twitter committed suicide yesterday. He's been going on about this woman that broke up with him for over a year now and today he posted "I'll have to live with this forever. No thanks."

This isn't my first rodeo. Over the years I've known people who would vaguepost so their friends would get worried and then they'd turn out fine and pretend like it wasn't their intention. I've known people who would try to "win" arguments by holding themselves hostage.

Suicide now isn't the shocking world pivot it used to be for me. It just feels like someone quit the internet or moved jobs or went to live in another country.

Is this a common trait among people who have been on the internet for a long time? Are we doomed to become emotionally dead? What do younger users feel about this topic?

I think suicide baiting is an all too common occurrence that will just lead to you suffering for effectively no reason. Even if you don't want to your body will eventually get numb to it to protect itself.

I personally went through a night of hell over someone baiting like that, in a tight-knit community a close acquaintance seemed like he did it. I and most of the community lost a night of sleep only for him to come back 2 days later and be completely fine. After that I could never take threats like the seriously, even if I wanted to get worried I just couldn't, the body wouldn't allow it. But in a way I'm glad, you need to be somewhat emotionally distant online otherwise there are people ready to take advantage of it.

In the end even if something like this didn't happen to you there's a limit to how much emotional bond you can form with a rando online which means you won't care as much, and with how common suicide baiting and sadly suicide itself has become you reach a point where it's just an event for you like they're just a statistic for the larger society.

It's sad in a way but I don't think we were built for this, to know everyone, to care about everyone and everything. So safeguards have to kick in to prevent you from going insane. So yeah I think everyone that's been on the internet for a long time is destined to be desensitized to an extent and that it's perfectly normal, not an indication of general emotional numbness. Trust me I've been through emotional numbness and wouldn't wish it on anyone.

That kind of giddy, willful desensitization absolutely terrifies me.

That's the extreme and a path to becoming one of those gore obsessed weirdos and it's terrifying how common it seems now. Instagram has a reputation for this kind of stuff and it's one of the largest social medias.

 

[macrobyte]

Instagram has a reputation for this kind of stuff and it's one of the largest social medias.

Instagram has an especially bad problem with this. The entire site is filled with car crash videos and new 9/11 angles, and then there is a lot of additional meta humor about those videos. People have gotten more than desensitized to it — they've became drawn to it.
I believe this also plays into the suicide factor. Everywhere, at least online, is discussion around suicide. Edgy people talking about how cool it is. Ik it's cringe, but the main >reddit suicide community has just under 500k members. So people start to become desensitized. People don't think threats are that bad, and people don't get too sad about someone dying. This can also be seen through how people talk about how cool those new assisted suicide machines are. Additionally, I would like to add that the main reason for suicide becoming so common is that, as seen in the rat utopia experiment, people get more depressed, more shut in, more autistic, and more likely to try at least to kill themselves, as everything gets more crowded, and the Internet is the most crowded place.

 

[punisheddead]

Instagram has an especially bad problem with this. The entire site is filled with car crash videos and new 9/11 angles, and then there is a lot of additional meta humor about those videos. People have gotten more than desensitized to it — they've became drawn to it.
I believe this also plays into the suicide factor. Everywhere, at least online, is discussion around suicide. Edgy people talking about how cool it is. Ik it's cringe, but the main >reddit suicide community has just under 500k members. So people start to become desensitized. People don't think threats are that bad, and people don't get too sad about someone dying. This can also be seen through how people talk about how cool those new assisted suicide machines are. Additionally, I would like to add that the main reason for suicide becoming so common is that, as seen in the rat utopia experiment, people get more depressed, more shut in, more autistic, and more likely to try at least to kill themselves, as everything gets more crowded, and the Internet is the most crowded place.

I had my friend show me his reels and every 3rd one is something really bad, either car crashes, horrible disfigurement or disabilities that are being made fun of and gawked at, gore, tragedies or death. And sure a part of it is on him because he's an edgy weirdo but instagram is the only platform that now has this problem, and it's common for so long that it now has a reputation.

As for >reddit, >reddit was even worse. They banned most of these types of communities. There's used to be the aptly named "watchpeopledie" where you can guess what the point was and "combatfootage" where you can see the horrors of war first hand.


Interesting correlation with the rat utopia experiment, I never thought about it that way. The internet has gotten very big but in a few places, making it very crowded and you pretty much have to be on there. I'm sure the internet is just making all this stuff 5x worse.

 

[Aral]

Everywhere, at least online, is discussion around suicide. Edgy people talking about how cool it is. Ik it's cringe, but the main >reddit suicide community has just under 500k members. So people start to become desensitized.

^ agreed. Suicide has almost become trivial nowadays with all the suicide jokes and edgelords running around on the Internet. I hate this because these kids have no idea what it truly is like for those who are in a bad enough state to think about it seriously and will likely never make an actual attempt or at least know what it's like to even be dangerously close to making one. Or worse, to lose a loved one to suicide. Even when you haven't been through it, it seems obvious that it's a hell nobody would wish on their own worst enemy and NOT SOMETHING TO TRIVIALIZE OR JOKE ABOUT.

 

[Noxy]

I cried over the murder-suicide of an online friend I had not spoken-to for the past four years. I came to find out about the event thanks to a youtube video, of all things. I cried because I knew the pain he was going through back when we spoke, and from reading his mother's claim: 'he was always a monster'. This, and all of the comments cheering on his death hit me quite hard. None of that people knew who he was, nor what he was going through. Truly, not even I know what pushed him over the edge– All I know is that things could have been different, if only he got the help that he needed.

Faceless voices echoed through the void, cheering over the death of this young man– not a single one knew a thing about him. He was hanged-up for the crowd to stab like a straw-man, and so they did, ignoring the person behind the straws.


The internet is a proxy for human interaction, so is the newspaper. Unless you go out of your way to recognize that the names in the newspaper were once little kids playing in the street, you will not care much. It is easier to hold an adult accountable for their actions than to consider they have a history, and to wonder what could have led them to take such a severe decision. Sometimes the answer is 'mental illness', but this is not always the case.

Well, all in all you didn't know anything about this person, did you? He was but a stranger to you, it's normal that you don't feel anything in regards to his suicide.

As a side-note, I think it's important to note that the opposite also applies– when the trauma is too great your emotions will shut-down.

 

[big_ping07]

i wouldn't consider this post to be a trauma dump, but i think others will. reader discretion is advised. and with that out of the way...

i grew up with a bunch of scene kids that were melodramatic and pretended to commit suicide every other week. i was probably the youngest in this group, so i was extremely affected by this. y'all see how i am, personality-wise, typically kind and wholesome, so i would cry for hours trying to contact my "friends" that posted vague messages about ending their lives to the point that i got made fun of by other users for caring so much. eventually the person that "died" would come back and post some vague apology. but then they would do it again. and i would cry again. and get made fun of for crying again. and the cycle would repeat. eventually my brain grew enough to realize that these people are NOT my friends because they did not have an ounce of care for me even though i showed as much care as i could for them.

this led me to have a cynical view on suicide. i found people who were suicidal to be extremely selfish. but i became more selfish too. if someone was telling me they were struggling i would either ignore it completely, tell them to push through it, or say they could vent to me (and if they vented, i definitely did not read their messages, maybe send a 'you got this <3').
but that was until i developed my own suicidal ideology. i was feeling very alone even in a room full of people. i felt completely detached from my friends and family. and it got to the point that i was making fun of myself for being melodramatic, telling myself it would be better to just end it than keep complaining about my issues. but there was actually something seriously wrong with me. and at my lowest, in the act, i realized that. so i contacted my closest friend and confidante. talked it out. woke the fuck up. went to the hospital. got my shit together.

because of that episode, i have empathy for people who are struggling with suicidal thoughts. not everyone has a confidante outside of the abyssal internet. but i also realize that these people are lacking CARE. care for others. care from others. care for themself. care from themself. i try to show them that people are out there to support them (be it professional or personal), but that this person is not me. all i can do is hope they can heal. hope they can realize they need to deal with this using their own will. without me. because i have my own shit to care about. i have my own people to care for and get care from. and most importantly i have to give care to myself for myself. i'd consider this like a selfish empathy? but i think everyone should show care mostly to themself because of the whole "you are born/will die alone" shit.

suicide is an unfortunate reality, and we cannot save everyone from this reality (except maybe for yourself and closest crew). in my more recent history, i've had a few people on discord tell me about their suicidal/depressive thoughts. this is a bit funny to me because i legit don't be using discord like that. people just see a nice person in their server (who only joined because the server creator asked them to) and immediately attach to that. they see someone who they think will listen which shows to me that they are just using me. for my care. because i'm full of love. but that love is not infinite, it takes energy and consideration, therefore, i have no love to give to them, a stranger (possibly acquaintance). if they're going to show selfishness to me (whine and complain and not listen to my advice), i'm going to be selfish back by reminding them that their behavior is toxic dependence, wishing them the best, leaving them a few bits of advice/motivation, and telling that i will not be replying any further. it's not up to me if these people take their lives. of course i will always encourage otherwise, i truly think everyone's existence is valuable and worth experiencing for as long as possible, but it's not my problem to care about some bozo on the internet that THINKS no one irl loves them. I don't love them. other than the basic "fellow human" love. the only person you that will truly care about you is yourself. like get some help dude. leave me out of this. misery loves company. i refuse to be used like that.

i've never had an internet FRIEND succeed w/ suicide, so my opinion may change if that were to ever happen (which i pray never does). a real friend will acknowledge the pain they are causing you and seriously listen to/introspect on the advice you give them. they will try their best to deal with it alone, but realize when they need a shoulder to lean on. i will always be there for my real friends. the issue is that i cannot be everyone's friend. that's an impossible task. as apathetic as it seems, the only feeling i have for internet strangers succeeding in suicide is whatever "damn.. that sucks" is considered.

if anyone reading is dealing with such thoughts, i truly hope for your healing. but the only person that can heal you is yourself. it's a privilege to have someone to lean on, not a right. do the best with what you have. you might even have to fake it until you make it. but i've yet to meet anyone that regrets the hard work they've put towards their existence on this planet.

 

[Punp]

Sorry it's taken so long to read all the messages. I've not been sleeping well lately (been cramming on work).

Just a general update: the twitter acquaintance (and @silktrader pointed out that I carefully selected the word 'acquaintance' to distance myself) responded to my message and hadn't killed himself. I'm almost disappointed - more for the fact that I wasted time caring about it in the first place (again) than him not having the conviction to get it over with. Like @big_ping07 mentioned, vagueposting like this is a selfish act by emotional vampires. I DM'd some cool pics and told him to go the fuck outside and of course he hasn't responded and probably won't again because he "forgot".

Historically I did have a friend I spoke with every day across multiple platforms who pulled this kind of thing every other week. I broke off contact with him because he kept making vagueposts, raging out at me like it's my fault he was going to commit suicide, then disconnected. Each time I'd try calling him or writing letters to his home address, only for him to come back a few weeks later like nothing had happened. He recently tried to get back in contact with me and I told him I just can't keep doing it any more.

It felt pretty good to see the back of him.

Now I'm thinking about it I've had a lot of one-sided relationships like this and I've also gone through the stages that @big_ping07 experienced.

Awesome posts by @punisheddead, @Noxy, @Jodo_Fan and @Aral as usual. @microbyte While the rat utopia experiments are discredited as being unscientific and malicious, I think about it every time I go outside and see the "beautiful ones" vainly taking photos of themselves for instagram while abusing or neglecting their dedicated unpaid photographer boyfriends, or blue-haired millenials descending into the extremist LGBTQIA+ or fetishisation scene. I think about it when I look at myself giving up on other people. There is definitely a huge nugget of truth to it.

 

[4d1]

As for internet desensitization, far more worrying, to me, is the way many people on social media excitedly treat distant conflicts as team sports. Before coming off Twitter, I remember seeing a young man in the Russia/Ukraine war filming himself when he suddenly takes a hit from some kind of heavy round. The kid started screaming his head off in agony. It was truly awful. But the inhumanly worst part of it all was the comments section below the video. It was filled to the brim with people making edgy, team-aligned jokes.

That kind of giddy, willful desensitization absolutely terrifies me

This is more of an issue than I think most people realise. I know these types of people in person, and man they are messed up. Kids who have grown up in this world of edgy/ironic/meme communities don't understand the realities of what they are saying and lack a grounding in how insensitive it is. They don't have the theory of mind to understand the "other" point of view. Scary stuff, agreed.

 

[punisheddead]

Faceless voices echoed through the void, cheering over the death of this young man– not a single one knew a thing about him. He was hanged-up for the crowd to stab like a straw-man, and so they did, ignoring the person behind the straws.


He was but a stranger to you, it's normal that you don't feel anything in regards to his suicide.

Empathy and I mean actual empathy not just virtue signaling, has hit an all time low. It isn't normal to not feel the need to show a regular person at least some modicum of respect, you can't expect a stranger to weep for another stranger but you should expect common decency. You could argue that it's always been like that on the internet and in a way that's true but it seems different now. It's no longer just general edginess confined to a small number of places but a complete lack of care and empathy for those outside of ones very close "tribe".

If you see a regular person die and not only not feel a single thing, don't show any respect, but cheer it on I fear you're already a lost cause and I'm staying the hell away from you. And it's shockingly during the "polite" era of the internet, where "luckily most people aren't mean anymore", but actually it's just a lack of generic slurs being tossed at you while people are more venomous and manipulative now then ever. I'd rather get called the harshest slur then get a well crafted personal but ""polite"" attack thrown my way. I don't know what caused this, maybe the average person can't handle the pressure and just shuts down emotionally, but it's very evident and it makes the already unpleasant internet even more unpleasant. I do hope those comments haven't hurt you too much, they're coming from venomous shells that I would struggle to even call people.

 

[Aral]

Just a general update: the twitter acquaintance (and @silktrader pointed out that I carefully selected the word 'acquaintance' to distance myself) responded to my message and hadn't killed himself. I'm almost disappointed - more for the fact that I wasted time caring about it in the first place (again) than him not having the conviction to get it over with. Like @big_ping07 mentioned, vagueposting like this is a selfish act by emotional vampires. I DM'd some cool pics and told him to go the fuck outside and of course he hasn't responded and probably won't again because he "forgot".

Historically I did have a friend I spoke with every day across multiple platforms who pulled this kind of thing every other week. I broke off contact with him because he kept making vagueposts, raging out at me like it's my fault he was going to commit suicide, then disconnected. Each time I'd try calling him or writing letters to his home address, only for him to come back a few weeks later like nothing had happened. He recently tried to get back in contact with me and I told him I just can't keep doing it any more.

Urgh. Disgusting. Reeks of untreated cluster B personality disorder, though borderlines are the most prone to that.
I also see the similarity with the mouse utopia experiment in our society. We aren't mice, but we cannot deny that there is indeed a nugget of truth to it, and that we are in an actual behavioural sink. This is the largest scale human experiment in all history.

 

[McGovern '72!]

i've had a few people on discord tell me about their suicidal/depressive thoughts.

I don't want to elaborate too much, but I know a few guys on there that would do that solely in order to get the "care" you mentioned from women and femboys they were attracted to. Basically just coercing them into edating and sexting with them because if they didn't "I'm totally gonna kill myself now!!!1!". I may sound kind of edgy-jokey right now but after seeing this pattern so much I've just become numb to it. I think Punisheddead and Aral mentioned something about the prevalence of fake suicides like this being due to online politeness, but honestly I think it's more due to the weaponization of politeness rather than the politeness itself. When you distill social interaction into a series of rigid morals, a rulebook, then you can find and exploit gaps in that rulebook in order to prey on the ones who uphold it. If people are hounding you with criticism, say you're suicidal to get them off your back, because that means they're the ones hurting you and therefore evil. That's what happened with one of the bastards I'm talking about, his victim snapped at him after she started to realize his abuse and he whined about it on a discord I was on and started a witch hunt after her because he's so mentally ill and suicidal and she's going to kill him. Honestly makes me want to vomit.

On a more abstract level, I think that simultaneously people are both desensitized and overly-sensitive to people dying. Like, people will get in a fuss about someone threatening to kill themselves for the umpteenth time, but after a certain amount of repetition their actions just seem... automatic. Like people have somehow been conditioned into a routine for seeing suicide and gore and death. Even annoying tiktok kids going "WOOOOAH PEOPLE DYING" are still following the routine set out by their social norms. Increasingly it seems like people on the internet don't want to express themselves, but just fit in. "Social Media" is a mind virus.

Back to what ping said, it's become a general rule of mine that 99% of people talking about how they're literally about to kill themselves like right now guys on the internet are just feeling a little sad and will probably be embarrassed later. Generally if someone says they want to kill themselves in public I ignore them, and none of my friends are the type of people to do that shit. Honestly, even the people threatening suicide are going about it in routines. It's always "the darkness is taking me over... I don't see a way out..." or something along those lines, and after seeing it so many time I've realized that's a complete farce compared to how actual suicidal people talk. When you're genuinely on the brink of suicide, you find that you are no longer yourself, or the illusion that people feebly try to reason with. You are an abyss in the image of a man.

 

[Deleted member 1982]

Internet has also heavily romanticised suicide. Online music like xxxtentacion, lil peep, $uicide Boy$

But also people genuinely throw this word around like nothing. I mean the people that talk about committing suicide. You can't go 5 minutes on >reddit without someone mentioning it or on discord. Those places either cause you to do this or encourage you to. Same as with transgenderism.

It makes people care and show false sympathy. Thus encouraging and reinforcing such behaviour its like guilt tripping or gas lighting. Interestingly People act shoked when you don't get hooked by them saying they want to kill themselves.

People could just opt to run away or leave everything and start a new life somewhere different instead, which often has the same effect like what you'd imagine killing yourself has.

Also it's this world and existence that genuinely makes one to commit suicide, which is a shame. It's defeatism at its core. If you are already at that point of doing it, why not do a Ted K. or Anders Breivik instead? and get back at the world for pushing you into this corner?

It's an evidence of the spiritual degradation we witness. Instead of a last build up and "enough is enough" people internalise their emotions and act on themselves.
Though they themselves deserve it the least.

 

[punisheddead]

I think that simultaneously people are both desensitized and overly-sensitive to people dying...

...guys on the internet are just feeling a little sad and will probably be embarrassed later

It's almost always just a cry for help and feeling sad. I wonder where did we go wrong when it's less embarrassing to say "I'm going to kill myself" then "hey things aren't going well for me right now, can we talk?". It's again the paradox of politeness, where the internet is "polite" but only on the surface level. In the same vain society is "accepting of social health issues" but there's still so much stigma about just talking it out where threatening suicide is less stigmatized.

Online music like xxxtentacion, lil peep, $uicide Boy$

Who leaked my playlist

People could just opt to run away or leave everything and start a new life somewhere different instead, which often has the same effect like what you'd imagine killing yourself has.

Agreed. People do say that suicide is a permanent solution and it is but a better one is to just pack up and leave everything behind. You don't even need to realistically go that far, chances are you haven't fucked up that bad and that you aren't all that important. Unless it's something truly unsolvable (like chronic illnesses and pain) it really isn't necessary. If things don't really work out and I have nothing keeping me where I currently am I'm just walking away and vanishing into the night.

Also it's this world and existence that genuinely makes one to commit suicide, which is a shame. It's defeatism at its core.

I see it as societies ultimate failure, you can't fuck up more then someone not seeing an out for in 99% of cases very solvable problems. Society has failed many people in many ways but no one more then a suicide victim and like a true self-centered and narcissistic collective that it is, it has the gall to call the victim selfish.

 

[Deleted member 1982]

I see it as societies ultimate failure, you can't fuck up more then someone not seeing an out for in 99% of cases very solvable problems. Society has failed many people in many ways but no one more then a suicide victim and like a true self-centered and narcissistic collective that it is, it has the gall to call the victim selfish.

Exactly. Hence I say, at least go bonkers before you die. Like it sounds brutal but appearantly no one cares when people kill themselves. If those people would instead light banks on fire or get back at the people responsible for all of it then the powers in charge would act very fast on fixing the issues. And they wouldn't be victims anymore, but heroes.

It very often is money or loneliness/ lack of social experiences anyway. Things that can be fixed instantly. It's as if this is all on purpose. Everything costs money, and where do you get that from? From a job appearantly. And how to get one of those? Well you have to apply a lot and be lucky or have connections. Then when you don't find one, or businesses shutdown thanks to the incompetent government then you get thrown in jail because you can't pay for the most basic necessities and have to resort to stealing or other criminal shit. Just get rid of money. It does not seem to work out. Rich get richer and poor get poorer. Making 100k on the stockmarker from 1k takes decades. But making 1 Million from 100k can be done in a week or month. But all expenses mostly add up to 2k anyway. Conveniently thats the average income too. So you never make it out of the hamster wheel. This is worse than slavery.