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This is completely speculative on my part, but it seems like the pathology of suicide comes from life itself not having any novelty or vigor. If your life is boring and miserable, then life to you is simply boredom and misery. From that perspective, death isn't really taking life away from you because you weren't living anyway, it's just dissolving negative emotions. Teenagers today are really bored. I think that's why so many teens get hooked on video games and lewd content, they're just in their rooms doing nothing. I'm not going to ramble about Gen Z's shitty situation because honestly that topic has been done to death and the same talking points like "car-centric infrastructure" and "lack of community" just get repeated ad nauseam. From this point of view though, I think people always mention suicide because it makes their lives seem more novel, it gives them some sort of narrative to their lives that makes it more interesting to them. They're this unhappy discontented victim who is going to part ways with a cruel world that was unjustly subjected to them, the thought of suicide becomes an interest, or hobby.
 
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As for internet desensitization, far more worrying, to me, is the way many people on social media excitedly treat distant conflicts as team sports. Before coming off Twitter, I remember seeing a young man in the Russia/Ukraine war filming himself when he suddenly takes a hit from some kind of heavy round. The kid started screaming his head off in agony. It was truly awful. But the inhumanly worst part of it all was the comments section below the video. It was filled to the brim with people making edgy, team-aligned jokes.
The War Fandom is one of the most disturbing things that happened thanks to social media. The strangest thing is that people don't even really support the sides, but they simply wage a proxy signalling war through the actual war against their similarly terminally online foes. It's not even somewhat ideological as it used to be in the past.

And yes, both sides of the aisle are equally guilty, and not even the more extreme people are clean from this.

It's pathetic, disgusting and disrespectful.
 
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People could just opt to run away or leave everything and start a new life somewhere different instead, which often has the same effect like what you'd imagine killing yourself has.

Also it's this world and existence that genuinely makes one to commit suicide, which is a shame. It's defeatism at its core. If you are already at that point of doing it, why not do a Ted K. or Anders Breivik instead? and get back at the world for pushing you into this corner?
May I share some personal experiences? Excuse my oversharing.
I want to assure anyone reading this that I am in no danger, this happened years ago. These are my personal insights and not an 'universal truth'.

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What does it feel like to be actively suicidal?

It's not a sensation of "my life is so terrible, I wanna die," but rather an innate, internal feeling of constant rot. You can dismiss the sensation by staying busy, but the moment you pause and do nothing, the sensation of 'drowning alive' gradually engulfs you. I wanna note that this isn't a perpetual state; it merely describes the experience during an 'episode.' You might spend weeks feeling 'normal,' only to endure another week feeling dreadful.

This doesn't necessarily mean you will feel sad; more likely, you will feel emotionally numb, perhaps tinged with melancholy.

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Can't you just move-out and start anew?

That's an excellent question! Yes, moving out and starting anew may offer some relief. However, it won't eliminate the persistent thought that you don't want to live– the thought will stubbornly cling to your consciousness like a tick. There's no simple way to get rid of it.


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Why not do a Ted K. or Anders Breivik instead?

Being suicidal doesn't equate to harboring a desire to harm others, nor animosity towards the world. In fact, someone actively suicidal may perceive these urges as threats to their own life. Suicidality often involves a distorted perception of reality, where nothing seems to hold meaning, irrespective of one's religious beliefs or philosophical views.

The notion of causing harm to another loses its relevance when you're enveloped in a sense of futility about everything.

In the context of relationships, whether with friends, family, religion or society, these connections do not serve as sources of comfort, but rather as shackles that hold's one hostage.

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It's defeatism at its core.

Unfortunately, the situation is far more complex than that. Stoicism, logic, or even completely withdrawing from societal norms doesn't prevent the mind from being plagued with the urges during an episode. Sometimes, these episodes can be so overwhelming that one feels they pose a danger to themselves. It's during these moments that panic can set in, as the mind is seemingly 'forcing one's hand'. Death becomes the singular, all-consuming thought, devoid of any logical rationale.

Such a strong episode may trigger intense feelings of shame, fear, panic, and powerlessness. I believe some that some individuals may seek help at this stage, since it is truly terrifying when your every thought is plagued by suicide.

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Isolating oneself.

There's an additional point I forgot to mention: isolating oneself is a common response during these episodes. Creating a chasm between oneself and others— family, friends, everyone— becomes a compulsion. This withdrawal can lead to a scenario where your mind is attempting to kill you and you've got nothing left to hold onto; You drove everyone away so there's nothing you can grab to keep yourself rooted in reality. What do you do in such situation? You panic, of course, and activate whatever coping mechanisms you have (for me, it was drawing) and hope for the best.

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How long does it take to kill oneself?

This process spans for years, as one fluctuates between 'good weeks' and 'crisis weeks', until coming to the final realization: death is inevitable, and escape is an illusion. Those who have spent years parrying these urges, this may mark the moment in which they question the very significance of their existence:
"What was the point of my life, of all this struggle?" This harrowing inquiry might signify the abandonment of their last vestige of a coping mechanism. 'What was the point' is not a question, it is a lamentation.

Now, how many suicide attempts does it take to effectively end one's own life?
That's a tricky question, because it depends on the 'chances' the person gets.

I remember my first flirt with death; I was 14, gazing down a window at a third-floor of our home, contemplating how easily I could end it all with a head-first leap. However, I was too scared of pain, and of the possibility of survival to actually try it.

My second flirting session came in the form of a gun. I was sitting alone in a room, tasked with guarding a rifle. As I sat in there looking at nothing in particular, I found myself I found myself holding it under my chin, as my body flirted with the though of loading it and pulling the trigger. I got terrified when I realized what I was doing, and spent the remainder of my time there consciously distancing myself from the firearm.

I think it's important to note how one does not reason much before these things, it's not premeditated, it's almost instinctual.
Of course in the journey of someone suicidal there might also be many 'accidents', a suicidal person might unconsciously seek-out dangerous situations or disregard safety to try and die without 'pulling the trigger'.

Now, for premeditated suicide, that's a different beast. To premeditate one's suicide feels quite uplifting, you may feel genuinely happy as you prepare everything with a lot of care to finally tap-out of existence. I know this may seem counter-intuitive, but again, suicide is not a logical thing. It's an innate desire of the body that goes against the mind and against logic. Suicide in this way is not a decision nor is it a 'feeling', it is an urge.

Again, these are just personal notes on what is like to be actively suicidal from 12 to 24 years old and not an universal truth. Still, I want to just expose that suicide is a tad more complicated than just 'lift and move countries bro', it is an ingrained desire.
 
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May I share some personal experiences? Excuse my oversharing.
I want to assure anyone reading this that I am in no danger, this happened years ago. These are my personal insights and not an 'universal truth'.

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What does it feel like to be actively suicidal?

It is not a feeling of 'my life is so bad, i want to die', but more like an innate, internalized feeling of constant rot. You may ignore the feeling by keeping yourself occupied, but once you stop for a moment and do nothing, the feeling of 'drowning alive' slowly takes over. This is NOT a constant feeling, this is just how it feels when undergoing an 'episode'; You may spend a week or two feeling 'normal' and then a whole week feeling terrible.
This does not mean that you will feel sad, you will probably feel nothing emotionally, maybe a little bit melancholic.

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Can't you just move-out and start anew?

That is an excelent question! Yes, you can move-out and start anew, as a matter of fact that may help a bit if you are depressed but sadly it will not make the 'weight' in your head go away. As much as you may try to ignore the fact that you do not want to live, the idea will just cling to your head and there is simply nothing you can do to 'take it off'.


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Why not do a Ted K. or Anders Breivik instead?

To be suicidal does not imply a desire to hurt others, or hate towards the world. If anything someone that is actively suicidal may see the suicidal urges as a threat to his own life. To be suicidal you may have a skewed perception of reality in the first place, you may not see the point of anything at all, no matter what religion or philosophy you follow.
There would be no point in killing someone else if the point of it all is that you do not see a point in anything at all.
When it comes to friends, family, religion or society, those are not sources of comfort, but chains that prevent you from 'leaving'.

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It's defeatism at its core.

Sadly it is a bit more complex than just that. Even if you were to be stoic about it, even if you apply logic to it, and even if you 'exit' the system altogether, your mind will still bug you as much as it can whenever an episode happens. Sometimes the episodes might become so overwhelimg that you will feel like a danger to yourself, it is at these times that a person might panic, as their mind is actively 'forcing' them to kill themselves. To die is the only thought that occupies the mind, there is no logical reason for this.
Feelings with such a strong crisis might include shame, fear, panic and powerlessness. Some peole might seek help at this stage, because it is truly scary when your every thought is suicide.

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Isolating oneself.

There is something else I forgot to mention, it is common to isolate oneself during these episodes. To put some distance between you, family, friends and everyone else, so you can be alone. You feel the desire and need to be alone. Ultimately this can lead to a scenario where your mind is actively working against you, and you've got nothing else to hold onto, so what the heck do you do? You panic, of course, trigger whatever 'coping' mechanism you have (I usually drew) and hope for the best.

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How long does it take to kill oneself?

This is a process that may take years, years of 'good weeks' and 'crisis weeks' up until one point when you finally come to the realization that you are going to die, and there is no way out. If you have been actively fighting the urges for years and trying to live a life despite all this, you may prompt yourself to ask 'what even was the point of my life, of all this'. This painful thought could mean that you are throwing the last possible coping mechanism out the window.

Now, how many suicide attempts does it take to effectively end one's own life?
That's a tricky question, because it depends on the 'chances' the person gets.

I remember my first flirt with death, I was 14 leaning down a window in the third floor of the house, I kept thinking about how I could end it so easily if I just jumped head-first. I was too scared to suffer, however.
My second flirting session came in the form of a gun, I was sitting alone in a room with a rifle I was supposed to guard, of course the thing was between my hands. As I sat in the chair looking at nothing in particular, I found myself holding the rifle under my chin as my body flirted with the though of loading it and pulling the trigger. I got really scared when I realized this and spent the rest of my time in there far away from the rifle.

I think it's important to note how one does not reason much before these things, it's not premeditated, it's just natural. Of course there have been many 'accidents' on the way, one that is suicidal might not care that much about dangerous situations, might in fact seek-out dangerous situations as to try and die without having to pull the trigger.

Now, for premeditated suicide, that's a different beast. To premeditate one's suicide feels quite uplifting, you may feel genuinely happy as you prepare everything with a lot of care to finally tap-out of existence. I know this seems counter-intuitive but again suicide is not a logical thing, it is an innate desire of the body that goes against the mind and against logic. Suicide in this way is not a decision nor is it a 'feeling', it is an urge.

Again, these are just personal notes on what is like to be actively suicidal from 12 to 24 years old and not an universal truth. Still, I want to just expose that suicide is a tad more complicated than just 'lift and move countries bro', it is an ingrained desire.

I spent way too much time writing this, I will spellcheck it and format it later, sorry.
yeah, got it similar, i get you (made thread)
follow "life in fog" tag for more similar threads - https://forum.agoraroad.com/index.php?tags/life-in-fog/
 
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I think an acquaintance I know on Twitter committed suicide yesterday. He's been going on about this woman that broke up with him for over a year now and today he posted "I'll have to live with this forever. No thanks."

This isn't my first rodeo. Over the years I've known people who would vaguepost so their friends would get worried and then they'd turn out fine and pretend like it wasn't their intention. I've known people who would try to "win" arguments by holding themselves hostage.

Suicide now isn't the shocking world pivot it used to be for me. It just feels like someone quit the internet or moved jobs or went to live in another country.

Is this a common trait among people who have been on the internet for a long time? Are we doomed to become emotionally dead? What do younger users feel about this topic?
Not sure if I would call myself a "younger" user, but I've definitely cared quite a lot about the friends that I made on the internet. I am not majorly introverted but I don't really go out of my way to make friends IRL. Making friends on the internet was always much easier.

That being said, I haven't had many cases where people outright died while I was in contact with them. It has happened two times so far, once with an IRL friend, and once with an online friend. The online friend was about the age I am now when he suddenly died in a car accident. I remember finding out about it when one of our mutual friends reached out to his parents about why he wasn't online, and they broke the news. I still get emotional when I listen to his favorite song, and I often think about how things might have been if he were still alive.

I know this post doesn't really mesh well with the rest of the discussion, but I thought it might be interesting to provide the perspective of someone who still mourns an online friend's death.
 

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Words I never thought I would see written or uttered. Everything you've written is true though.


Still, I want to just expose that suicide is a tad more complicated than just 'lift and move countries bro', it is an ingrained desire.
True. I've failed to point out the difference between depression caused by a chemical imbalance and depression caused by circumstances the latter being much more common. For situational depression lifting and moving countries will very much work, but if it's as you said an ingrained desire then that's a whole different beast that doesn't have an easy or obvious solution.

I do truly empathize with your words, I'm not too keen on sharing but I will say that I didn't expect to reach my 20s and leave it at that. I hope it gets better for you.
 

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I do truly empathize with your words, I'm not too keen on sharing but I will say that I didn't expect to reach my 20s and leave it at that. I hope it gets better for you.
I thank you for the empathy, but don't worry I'm ok these days; I wouldn't share it if it was an active problem in my life.

What did the trick for me was to undergo a long period of self-therapy involving a lot introspection, dropping old habits, trying to understand why I felt the way I felt, what made me the person I am today... It really took a whole rework of my life, habits and person, and also a very close call with death.

I think everyone has the potential to overcome these urges, but the treatment might take years to pull-off, and the person must be coerced into helping themselves. Someone else's words and guidance can only do so much for someone that cannot walk at all.
 
I remember my first flirt with death; I was 14, gazing down a window at a third-floor of our home, contemplating how easily I could end it all with a head-first leap. However, I was too scared of pain, and of the possibility of survival to actually try it.

My second flirting session came in the form of a gun. I was sitting alone in a room, tasked with guarding a rifle. As I sat in there looking at nothing in particular, I found myself I found myself holding it under my chin, as my body flirted with the though of loading it and pulling the trigger. I got terrified when I realized what I was doing, and spent the remainder of my time there consciously distancing myself from the firearm.

I think it's important to note how one does not reason much before these things, it's not premeditated, it's almost instinctual.
Of course in the journey of someone suicidal there might also be many 'accidents', a suicidal person might unconsciously seek-out dangerous situations or disregard safety to try and die without 'pulling the trigger'.

Now, for premeditated suicide, that's a different beast. To premeditate one's suicide feels quite uplifting, you may feel genuinely happy as you prepare everything with a lot of care to finally tap-out of existence. I know this may seem counter-intuitive, but again, suicide is not a logical thing. It's an innate desire of the body that goes against the mind and against logic. Suicide in this way is not a decision nor is it a 'feeling', it is an urge.

Again, these are just personal notes on what is like to be actively suicidal from 12 to 24 years old and not an universal truth. Still, I want to just expose that suicide is a tad more complicated than just 'lift and move countries bro', it is an ingrained desire.
Interesting wording, flirting with death. I myself call it over romanticising death. We are blind of all the red flags with tainted glasses. I'm sure everybody has their fair share of possible end it all situation, but didn't recognize them because for a "normal" person that thought is absurd to not even existent. This is why a victim in the vicinity is so dangerous. It introduces a mind virus (meme?), a possible solution or attention tool. They overdo it and end up dead.
Also, the absurdity of one's own decision to commit to something as far reaching as prematurely ripping oneself out of their existence makes it nearly impossible for the average coworker/student to recognize some signs.
 
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I think an acquaintance I know on Twitter committed suicide yesterday. He's been going on about this woman that broke up with him for over a year now and today he posted "I'll have to live with this forever. No thanks."

This isn't my first rodeo. Over the years I've known people who would vaguepost so their friends would get worried and then they'd turn out fine and pretend like it wasn't their intention. I've known people who would try to "win" arguments by holding themselves hostage.

Suicide now isn't the shocking world pivot it used to be for me. It just feels like someone quit the internet or moved jobs or went to live in another country.

Is this a common trait among people who have been on the internet for a long time? Are we doomed to become emotionally dead? What do younger users feel about this topic?
I think its a new trait on the internet, I was doing long distance for a while recently , the guy was great extremely nice and all but then our relationship stopped working out and i had to end it with him....he was thinking of suicide which is pretty rough but also i think people with extended internet usage have been subjected to using suicide as a "disappearing" method
 
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I think it's sort of hard to say, on the one hand I don't think anyone out there is genuinely so emotionless to not feel anything if someone they knew commit suicide. On the other hand; I feel like "suicide" has become so common for people that it almost lacks the impact it did because it's not nearly as rare a concept, but it's still a very rare reality.

What I mean is that, for many; suicide is something they're familiar with as a concept. They likely have heard friends joke about it, they've likely heard "if I had to do that I'd just kill myself" and other sort of remarks. Suicide isn't some rare and scary thing we have to grapple with the idea of being real anymore. I would be hard pressed to find anyone who hasn't had at least one person in their life use suicide as a sort of "tactic" for winning an argument, "saving" a relationship, or in other words guilt tripping someone.

How many times have we heard someone say they've attempted before, and will again; only for them to literally be the most sane and normal person who has no real intent. I once knew of a kid who "kept count" and yes, I mean kid. I was about 19 when he was 13 and he tried to convince an entire discord server that he was going to drown himself with a water bottle. Which while, technically possible; is laughable at best. Normally I'd say a genuine suicide attempt isn't "laughable" but you have to keep in mind, this was clearly not a genuine attempt. This kid claimed he was on "attempt 1378" and that "therapists give up on him." That sort of stuff became commonplace talk now, people are all talk and no action but they demand you take them seriously because what decent person is going to question the suicidal guy?

The thing is, I don't think that makes us emotionless and such. I mean okay hear me out right, if someone actually killed themselves and you knew about it; you're probably going to feel the impact. That's just human of you, to understand someone hasn't just died, but was so void of any reason to live that they were willing to end their life by their own hands. However, we care about what people actually do, not what they say they'll do. This is simply because of how many people have told us they're going to do something just to get us to do something for them.

Most of the time, and I don't intend to generalize; I see men say they'll commit suicide if a woman leaves them. This is likely because in their mind they've expended all other options, and they need to trap her in a situation where leaving is no longer an option she has. Trying to win her over, or show they can change for her, or actually bothering to try to mend the relationship would take too long; and might fail if she's already made up her mind. If all he's looking for is another quick one night stand there's no reason to put in all that effort. People see suicide baiting as a way of quickly getting what they want and never having to actually do anything for it, after all the ideal situation when someone claims they're suicidal is when they don't do anything.

I do believe we've grown numb to the claim of "I'm really going to do it this time" but I don't believe anyone would ever genuinely grow numb to seeing someone actually go through with it. It's one thing to say "oh I wouldn't care at all" or whatever, it's another thing to actually know your friend is dead and that it was by their own hands. Because these days, especially on the internet; suicide isn't real it's just a concept.
 
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I do believe we've grown numb to the claim of "I'm really going to do it this time" but I don't believe anyone would ever genuinely grow numb to seeing someone actually go through with it. It's one thing to say "oh I wouldn't care at all" or whatever, it's another thing to actually know your friend is dead and that it was by their own hands.
This itself is quite disturbing to me because the apathy people have grown to have for such threats is one of the reasons why someone I briefly knew ended up actually committing. They had made their intentions clear and I was ready to intervene if at all possible. But others, including someone I looked up to, dismissed the case and reported they would more likely than not come back the next day, hence it would be more harmful to put in the appropriate energy to prevent it if it were true. They did not come back the next day, or week, or year. It has been two years now. It could have easily been prevented because we all had the tools to forcefully stop it if persuasion didn't work, however, due to how numb people have grown to the threats themselves, nobody wanted to take it that seriously. But the dawning realization that they weren't coming back was indeed emotionally catastrophic to everybody there. They had proclaimed a lack of care, and then that collapsed.

I barely knew the person. I had maybe been around them for five days at most at that point, others were much closer to them. But the case sticks with me heavily and brings me distress because of two things. But only the second is relevant here: it happened right in front of me. The internet is odd because the people you speak to are so far, but for many you can feel so close, and in a way, you are. You could stop a tragedy halfway around the world. You could change the life of someone you've never seen. If they had not said anything, I would be in the dark. But because they did speak, I was a witness, and so I had the choice to get myself involved or not. I've found that after all this time, after so many false threats from people, I've never stopped taking them seriously from anyone. Even when I know the person is lying. Even if I do have reason to suspect they're lying, I still put everything I can into preventing harm, because what if I'm mistaken? But this time I backed down because I listened to someone who had grown numb. I was a witness, yet I did not step in, and so I feel there is partial responsibility on my end. But I understand why someone would choose to detach from that responsibility.

On the other side of the same coin, I know I have been entirely ignored regarding a threat I've made because of this. It shocks me because I intentionally do not contemplate suicide openly or use it as a way to lash out all willy-nilly, so that when I do speak of it, people know I am attempting to reach out because of a legitimate and urgent feeling. That did not stop anyone I had known for years from assuming I had suddenly decided to be spiteful and make empty threats. Because despite my own attempts to keep a clean slate, they had formulated apathy for the concept as a whole and saw it as just another moment. It wasn't even the passive apathy where you're unsure but don't want to get involved. It was very deliberate apathy, as not only did they disregard the sincerity, but they used it as a jumping off point to formulate explicit fantasies regarding me.

All of these anecdotes are to say, the reason why people grow numb to the threats themselves are understandable, but most certainly has consequences. And as NW_Cryptid pointed out, this does not mean people grow numb to witnessing the actual incident. So you're trained to stop caring, because nothing ever comes out of it, until it does. And you have to grapple with that. Hopefully this isn't too far removed from the original point of this thread, but I feel this aspect of it is the most noteworthy in regards to online suicide as a relatively young person who has grown up glued to a computer. I believe there is no fault to be had in simply feeling numb. Even if you feel numb towards the actual death. Emotions can be complicated. But how people choose to act in response to this numb feeling can be devastating.

I think making cries for help is just something people do, and often being direct does not get you the attention you want or need. I am of the opinion that attention seeking is not necessarily a bad thing, people can indeed do it in bad ways, but there's a reason why people do it that I can entirely understand. In many cases, people threaten suicide because there is something wrong (not always, but enough for me to care). It may not necessarily be suicidal intent. But it is still most likely an intentional or unintentional miscommunication of genuinely serious feelings. Hence I try to be sympathetic to liars and dramatists unless I have an explicit reason not to. It has worked out well for me and others so far.
 

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I have an anecdote to share on the topic. The how's and why's of me ending up there are not relevant but I was a regular of a tinychat group of a now long defunct altchan around 2010-12. A surpsingly diverse mix of people (including women and shockingly normal dudes for such a layered and hidden away part of the net) from all over the world just happened to regularly meet up via low quality, plixelated webcam feeds and just hang out and chat. Sometimes I'd drop by for 10 minutes to say hello, sometimes I'd spend a whole day there. One user however seemed to ALWAYS be there. He was an autistic boy from Scandinavia, I think it was Norway. An odd fellow but he created the best piece of art that I still hurt today over losing it: he mounted a webcam in the corner of his room and then sent us a sped up/timelapsed version of 24h in the day of a NEET's life. Seriously, just turning it black and white and adding some melancholy music on top would've won you several hipster arthouse awards back then. I mean that's just normal behaviour nowadays so not very shocking I guess.

Anyway, everyone knew he had problems with his autism and at some point we saw a changed background and he was in some type of psych ward but time still passed as usual, he told us that it's only temporary and he's gonna go to university soon.
Andy did like he tends to do and took a long break from that place and once I returned a year later everyone but him was still there. By tehn he already had been gone for a few months now so the people there were like
>Oh yeah he killed himself a few months ago
And everyone had moved on already but for me it was the first time learning of it. At the end of the day, I never even knew his actual name and he was just an anonymous stranger online that I might just have known a persona off but I was still devastated. My point is that this can go both ways.
 
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First of all, I am sorry for your loss.

I think the main issue here is that we are only dealing with abstractions online. It is way different to talk to a person, in person, than through any mediated means.

In real life when somebody is gone, you feel it. For a while you just expect the guy to walk in like there is nothing happened, but instead you only have the gap that this person left with their departure. Online, there is simply too much noise and people to fill the gap. Considering how impersonal and plenty human interaction is on the Internet it's basically worthless, while no matter how many people you talk to, the limited nature of the psychical space makes human interaction unique and precious. You can have 10 quirky new people to talk to, you won't get a new loved one.

Can we really morn the death of somebody we didn't really know? Can we miss somebody when the niche they filled can be replaced pretty much instantly? Hell, people IRL don't even have niches, they are just people.

Like with many things the plenty of content and people the internet provides didn't made us richer, in fact it just devalued what we already had. Just see how hard human work gets devalued by the need to consume, people expect new master level digital paintings of their favorite subjects every day. Something that in the past would have blown people's mind is so passe, that it gets instantly forgotten by the time the next pic is out. I don't think human interaction is any different. I saw what social media, dating apps etc do to people. "got a little flaw? into the trash you go".

This layer of abstraction basically tricks the brain so it treats everything as just content to satisfy it.
 
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I think an acquaintance I know on Twitter committed suicide yesterday. He's been going on about this woman that broke up with him for over a year now and today he posted "I'll have to live with this forever. No thanks."

This isn't my first rodeo. Over the years I've known people who would vaguepost so their friends would get worried and then they'd turn out fine and pretend like it wasn't their intention. I've known people who would try to "win" arguments by holding themselves hostage.

Suicide now isn't the shocking world pivot it used to be for me. It just feels like someone quit the internet or moved jobs or went to live in another country.

Is this a common trait among people who have been on the internet for a long time? Are we doomed to become emotionally dead? What do younger users feel about this topic?
I dont think the same. I had an online friend before, he helped me to get through very hard times. We were friends. I've never seen him IRL but my other friends who I met online, and become IRL friends were also very close to him IRL. He was like my brother, I didnt realize we havent met irl ever, because all the time we spend together felt so real. One day he K1lled himself, with a message to my friend. Then we stop seeing each other with my other friends and we all doomed because of a loss of our friend. He was a very valuable person for us, and we still remind him to each other all the time.

But on the other hand, I cant recognize the deaths of influencers/youtubers/rappers. When they die I feel nothing.
 

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A video popped up in my YouTube feed a few days ago simply titled "I'm dead". I have never seen the channel before but I clicked on the video out if curiosity and it was an older man talking about pancreatic cancer and explained that he recorded the video in advance and gave instructions for it to be uploaded in the event that he dies. He went on to express his gratitude for everyone who supported his channel over the years and at the end of the video it cut to a video of his brother explaining that he had indeed died and asked for some time to grieve and said that they would like to try and continue the channel.

It's not a suicide - the guy was done in by cancer - but it's a weird feeling to look at someone and listen to them talk to you while fully knowing that the person speaking to you is no longer with us. I get a similar feeling when listening to old recordings of people who have long-since passed away.

As for suicide specifically, I don't think that the people who talk about it are the ones who actually do it. This could very well just be my perception but over the years I have come across many people online who talk about suicide because they want attention. In my very limited experience, the people who do go on to commit suicide don't talk about it in advance. They have already made up their mind and either they do it or something happens that convinces them otherwise and they open up about it later. At least from my understanding, it seems like actual suicidal tendencies and using threats of suicide to manipulate peoples emotions seem to be entirely separate mental health problems.
 
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People can organize pheromonally in such a way that induces people to self harm and suicide. Happens a lot (and TO Lot), often unconsciously. Learn to externalise your thoughts from the game, and you'll maybe laugh but probably you'll just break for a bit. Then they'll try and sucker you back in and you will see the consequences they suffer for having a noncompliant subject. It gets crazy. They spaz out like you wouldn't believe. Dance the dance of life, pirouette and deftly parry their flails. Everything worth having in life comes as a direct result of overcoming some form of adversity. Of course you can aspire to go the other way, and be one of the baying yawpers chanting "SHAKA, SHAKA, SHAKA, SHAKA" etc. But I don't know why you'd want that. That's the behaviour of fucking bees. Nice to observe but poor job security and little opportunity for development.
 
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