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War in Ukraine

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Hmm. Thats what so many people are wondering. Its not like he doesnt know how to wage war. Maybe, just maybe, they are holding back because of what the EU and Nato might do as response? Europe hasn't seen a proper Land army, let alone war since ww2 and it was absolutely devastating. Maybe its not necessary. Or maybe no one actually wants to fight a massive war again.
But the EU and US are already supplying arms to Ukraine. Its already a proxy war, sending in an actual army wont escalate it more when NATO says its a war. The only possible reason I can think of is if Russia thinks they can outlast Europe through the winter, pressuring them to stop aiding Ukraine. Its very naive because European leadership doesnt care about freezing or starving their people as we've clearly seen in the last few years.
 
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Its weird that Russia is holding back this much considering how hard they went in the Chechen wars. Is there a reason, other than gay legalism that they wouldnt pull the trigger?
Russia went in with a smaller force (of also volunteers) in both of the Chechen Wars. They also leveled entire cities in Ukraine and massacred civilians, take Mariupol and Bucha for example. Kiev would make Grozny blush if Russians realized their original plans and attacked the city. They're not holding anything back.
If what you're asking is why they aren't sending forces stationed in other theatres or enacting some kind of mobilization; the answer to the former would be that they need them to both supress their dissident population and ensure border security, the answer to the latter would be because even Putin can see that it would lead to him being overthrown.
 
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Its weird that Russia is holding back this much considering how hard they went in the Chechen wars. Is there a reason, other than gay legalism that they wouldnt pull the trigger?
Millitary cutbacks due to oligarch corruption and bribery. AKA the readon Putin was allowed control of Russia fir this long
 
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In moments like this I'm thankful I live in a neutral country with no army, though I see WW3 as the time for Nicaragua to take the opportunity and finally invaded us... I hope Japan will take tico refugees like they are taking Ukranians rn, but doubt they would be as interested in letting central Americans in their country lmaoo
 
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Realistically though, what are the geopolitical implications of Russian full mobilization and Russia formally declaring war? Would this push Nato to also formally declare war on Russia? Is the EU willing to go to war rn?
 
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Realistically though, what are the geopolitical implications of Russian full mobilization and Russia formally declaring war? Would this push Nato to also formally declare war on Russia? Is the EU willing to go to war rn?
i somehow doubt full mobilization going to happen - my brain predicting something more along the lines of 'incorporate territories into russia, claim attacks on them are direct threat to russian state, demonstration use of tactical nuclear weapon to stall out ukr pushback and dissuade west from further assistance'

however once a bomb goes off, all bets are off. we have some swiveleyed fucking lunatics in charge in the west, i can see it going really off piste very quickly
 
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i somehow doubt full mobilization going to happen - my brain predicting something more along the lines of 'incorporate territories into russia, claim attacks on them are direct threat to russian state, demonstration use of tactical nuclear weapon to stall out ukr pushback and dissuade west from further assistance'

however once a bomb goes off, all bets are off. we have some swiveleyed fucking lunatics in charge in the west, i can see it going really off piste very quickly
I doubt they will use nukes to dissuade the west from assisting Ukraine, if anything I expected nukes to create an international war coalition against Russia
 
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I doubt they will use nukes to dissuade the west from assisting Ukraine, if anything I expected nukes to create an international war coalition against Russia
mh, the only point that's going against this scenario for me is their reassignment of air defense batteries from nato border to ukraine front (which implies not expecting nato threat), but also air defense doesn't really have much of a role in counterforce strike.

it's either that or indeed mobilization, distinct escalation either way which is never good when the calibre of world leaders is currently nutters, dementia sufferers and megalomaniacs
 
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They are probably going to mobilize the Russian armed forces to move in and protect their gains in Ukraine.

It's gonna be total economic and military mobilization to squash Ukraine.
 
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