What do you think of suicide?

[Jessica3cho雪血⊜青意]

Suicide is for cowards.





But go ahead, people have the freedom to be cowards.

 

[Max Chill]

Suicide is for cowards.





But go ahead, people have the freedom to be cowards.

Well I'll be damned, someone outdid nagol's bluntness in such a concise manner

 

[Jessica3cho雪血⊜青意]

Well I'll be damned, someone outdid nagol's bluntness in such a concise manner

I am but a simple AI.

 

[illautomatic]

Yes, a person has the right. Yes, it is moral and ethical.

Existence is truly meaningless and all morality emerges from your mind. That fact has always nagged at humanity but was only confirmed by the Existentialists several decades ago. Essentially, morality is in the mind of the beholder. So, feel free to off yourself knowing that there is nothing cosmological that is telling you otherwise or will judge and punish you. It's all up to you.

However, "you" is a complex thing: you is how you were raised; you is your disposition towards life; who you love; what you like to do on a Saturday night. For better or worse, you is the result of your experiences. And maybe those experiences have taught you to care for people, so much so that you'd feel guilt if you did anything to hurt them. Maybe those experiences generated wants and desires and needs that aren't purely preservational, or an ego and sense of self that create shame and guilt for wanting to end your life, on one hand, and pride and elation when achieving something you've worked hard on, on the other. Perhaps even a sense of purpose (very cool and based).

Those are the things worth living for. Not because the world is telling you so, but because you're human, and something about that means you're going to go searching for these things whether you like it or not. For whatever reason, and despite how meaningless it all is, humans gotta have this stuff, or we fuckin' die. Ugh cast us out because Ugh no understand; Ugh think lazy and scary weirdo (Fig. 1) is threat to clan; Also, Ugh no like funny feeling Ugh get in little Ugh when looking at weirdo; Ugh give few berries and rock and say good luck. And if it no Ugh, it us. We fuckin' kill ourselves. And, I don't have to tell you: you can't survive if you're dead.

Beyond that, we can get into the nitty gritty of the shoulds and shouldn'ts and prevention and healing. Or, even acceleration, if you want. But it's all secondary to understanding that there is nothing wrong with suicide. If you want to save someone from themselves, and they are dead set on it, that's a thing you're going to have to accept. And that's not even the most difficult part. You also have to deal with pulling someone out from underneath pain that is unimaginable to all but those who have been in their shoes. Even worse, they may have become completely and totally numb and apathetic; have gone beyond the pain into total psychological detachment. That's really scary. One need only spend a few hours with someone like this before deciding to dispense with such an out-of-touch cliche as "it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem" because they'll discover that there are problems that are permanent, if not actually then essentially, and life is worth losing sometimes.

Also, learn to raise your fucking kids so they don't want to off themselves. Suicide rates among adolescent and young adults aren't on the rise because there's an epidemic of randomly-onset psychological problems. It's not the internet. It's parents f a i l i n g. They autonomously went searching for all the things that build a personality that is fit for survival, and there was nothing there but TV, memes, and mommy and daddy fighting because they never really loved each other. Also, fuck you if you put yourself into a financial situation where both you and your partner have to overwork themselves in the rat race to afford your lifestyle and unnecessarily luxurious living conditions. If you're not ready to sacrifice luxury and career to ensure your child has a good upbringing, then you don't deserve to have a child, let alone the myriad of shit you're going to buy that will necessitate dedicating your life to work rather than family.

(Note: Ugh will not participate in discussion of made up sky man. Made up sky man no interest Ugh. Made up sky man is for dumb dumb.)

Fig. 1 - Artist rendering of scary weirdo

 

[Outer Heaven]

(Note: Ugh will not participate in discussion of made up sky man. Made up sky man no interest Ugh. Made up sky man is for dumb dumb.)

Fig. 1 - Artist rendering of scary weirdo

The edge oozing from this post. Get help degenerate.

Suicide is for cowards.

Ill take it a step further. Suicide is unjust and immoral. You're a bad person if you do it. Your body is a loan from God and the whole concept of bodily autonomy is retarded. You can do what you want ofc but don't be surprised when you're punished for it.

 

[Jessica3cho雪血⊜青意]

Ill take it a step further. Suicide is unjust and immoral. You're a bad person if you do it. Your body is a loan from God and the whole concept of bodily autonomy is retarded. You can do what you want ofc but don't be surprised when you're punished for it.

Your religious take is gay, but I do agree that you can't be a coward and be surprised if you get punished for being a coward.

 

[tofuDWU]

I'd probably kill myself if I felt myself losing my mental faculties. That is to say, if I got an Alzheimer's or Parkinson's diagnosis and felt myself going senile/insane, I'd immediate want to kill myself. Rather go out in control and aware.

If there really is no way out there is nothing wrong with just taking drastic action in my opinion. But it should always be viewed as a last resort and not as a form of escapism.

 

[brentw]

I think people should be free to end on their own terms.
Just try not to make a mess.

 

[Descarte Yee]

Is it ethical? Should people have a right to die?

Cringe.

 

[Max Chill]

Also, learn to raise your fucking kids so they don't want to off themselves.

I genuinely believe this is where it really all falls down to. FAMILY is where everything begins.

 

[mydadiscar]

People should be able to apply for euthanasia with an 8 day waiting period after they are determined to be of sound mind and not intoxicated. They have a meeting on the 4th day to check their mental state, perform a drug and alcohol test and make sure they still want to go through with it. On the day, the same checks that happened on day 4 are repeated and if they are mentally capable and still wanting to die, they are euthanised.

Anyone should be able to do it as long as they are sane enough to make a rational decision throughout and not under any non-prescribed drugs. So a schizophrenic for example can apply as long as they are not psychotic and the only drugs they are under the influence of are anti-psychotics.

There should be a choice of method between lethal pills, injection, drink or inert gases. Belgium, I recall seeing in a documentary, allows people to choose between an injection and drink. A pill would likely not be hard to produce and inert gasses are known for being a peaceful and painless suicide method already.

Dying should be a human right if one does not want to live. I would go so far as to say that forcing someone to live who does not want to is false imprisonment. People are trapping them in a place they do not want to be.

And this would prevent any lifelong consequences for failed suicide attempts, traumatising others with suicide attempts (jumping off a building or in front of a train in front of witnesses, not even taking into account the train driver who is now unintentionally a murderer), pain from painful suicide methods (cutting or hanging, getting strangled by a rope is obviously unpleasant), stops any suicides that may be spur-of-the-moment with the waiting period and dying with loved ones by your side is very common and this would allow such things instead of someone who desires this being forced to die alone out of fear of traumatising their family with a messy method and risking their family intercepting them. It would be peaceful and calm. Possibly even like just dying of old age.

 

[Vaporweeb]

View: https://youtu.be/4RuZczsQGCw

 

[Arcade101]

Suicide is Badass

Came here to post this.

 

[Jill Stingray]

I genuinely believe this is where it really all falls down to. FAMILY is where everything begins.

Yep, I lost a lot of my suicidal thoughts and tendencies once I finally moved out of home and cut my family off lol

 

[boywifefailure]

I do believe people should have the right to commit suicide, but also most suicide attempts are, as others have said, permanent solutions to temporary problems (or at least, attempts at created such). I think someone should have to meditate on whether its truly the right decision for them for a long time before going through with it. Hence why things like assisted suicide exist. I know I certainly would rather be dead than braindead in a hospital for the rest of whatever miserable life I have left at that point.

But also I wouldn't blame the other people in a suicidal person's life for trying to bring them back after an attempt. If anything, that signifies to me that the suicidal person has unfinished business and shouldn't be dead. In most cases, while I understand the appeal of suicide, it isn't the solution a suicidal individual may think it is, especially if that individual is young.

 

[-SteampunkTraveler-]

I have a death wish , but I am too lazy to act on it to be honest ...I'd rather wait for death to come and get me than me doing it myself

 

[FalseReality]

"EASY WAY"

Are you fucking serious? This is singlehandedly the most invalidating and asinine thing I've read.

Going against one's survival instinct is NOT easy. We have it built in for a reason. It's precisely what keeps a lot of people alive, at least the ones who have nothing to live for yet still live somehow. It takes a lot of strength to overcome that instinct. It's the desperate energy that gives people the will to actually do it. It's not "easy". Calling this "the easy way" is the most insulting thing to say in that context.

And who the fuck are you to say that it's the "easy way" that gets people into depression too? Go fucking say that to people who are suffering through hell and may have been doing so their entire lives. You don't know what's in their mind. You have NO IDEA what they are going through. You are judging without even knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

Because if I read between the lines here, you're literally saying that it's laziness that puts people into depression. The easy way, the lazy way! Well let me tell you, I don't wish you to ever be so plagued by a massive weight of pain that you can't get up in the morning, you hardly want to eat anything, doing even the basic stuff feels like an effort and anything that requires willpower just feels like climbing a mountain. I don't wish you to feel cold, weak, a weight in your chest, your throat constricted and an emptiness at heart every single second of your life. I don't wish you to feel like no one cares and will ever care about you and that the world would be better off without you, because just by existing you feel like a burden on everyone involved. I don't wish you to think of killing yourself all the time yet have no courage to even grab the first sharp object nearby. I don't wish you to completely disregard your safety and puT yourself in dangerous situations simply because you just don't value your life, so you don't care what risks you're taking anyway. I don't wish you to feel like life is that Chinese water torture when that little drop ends up feeling like a hammer on your head. Literally anything that comes feels like a blow to the head that sens you to the ground. I don't fucking wish you to be depressed because it's the most awful state a human being can be in. You don't fucking want that. You don't fucking deserve that, no one does.

The easy way my ass. There's nothing easy about killing yourself or being depressed. Everything about this is hard.

Getting angry at opinion. Point discarded

 

[Aral]

Getting angry at opinion. Point discarded

I don't care. I'm not here to win an argument, I reacted like a person who has been through it and who'd rather never end up in that situation again.

 

[Andy Kaufman]

I'm tired of it. I hear so much moaning about it, people should either sftu and do it or man up and stop sobbing online like a sissy.
In all seriousness, afaik humans are the only species to willingly choose death over life so reward those that manged to overcome the primal survival instinct to end their misery with relief.
I can see how it can be regarded as cowardly though, especially when you have responsibilities such as children to care for. Then it's kinda weak because you don't even live to regret your decision but that's kinda the point, eh? Selfish, that's what it is in either case.

 

[ThyOde17]

I understand why people do it and I would go as far as to say I can very easily sympathize with many of their stories. However, I think it is morally evil and that those who are contemplating it have so much more to live for than to just off themselves. It may seem cliche, but life truly is a gift, every person can find happiness no matter how grim the world is and we as a modern society have so many new avenues present for people to search for help (this is unfortunately only the case in developed nations, but still this is kind of addressed to people living in them). I may be selfish for saying all this--especially since I am middle class--but that is what I have come to understand from not only my own experiences, but the stories of people I met who were less fortunate than myself. Life is a shuttle, why not just try to take it to the end, even if you can end it whenever you want.