What were you ACTUALLY born in the wrong generation for?

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ABSOLUTELY NOT. TERRIBLE IDEA.

Marriage is just like being in a relationship, but with less options. You're essentially trapped at that point. It means nothing and only hurts you.
I don't plan on getting the feds involved. They don't need to know who I'm fucking, but I'd like to go through the ceremony, propose, have kids, and all that.
 

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Marriage is just like being in a relationship, but with less options. You're essentially trapped at that point. It means nothing and only hurts you.
The reality nobody tells you though is, at the end of the day, 100% of relationships suck for whatever reason. You will never be truly happy with your partner. That's the nature of human interaction.

Not sure how old you are, but I think you should open up a little bit about love. You seem very jaded.
 

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Not sure how old you are, but I think you should open up a little bit about love. You seem very jaded.

Maybe, but maybe not. My relationships have certainly all had problems, so I looked into it, and I think I'm yet to find a single person who's truly happy with their partner. People say they are their world etc, but talk to them in private and there's always issues, usually major ones. They stay together because they love each other despite the issues, but the issues are still there.
 

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I didn't ever had that feeling or thought of being born in the wrong generation.

But what I often think and wish for is to restart but keep the knowledge.
I have recently looking into ways of finding girls to date, boy the modern dating landscape look like a total nuclear wasteland. This kinda makes me wish I was born slightly earlier so that I wouldn't have to deal with this bullshit.

I have yet to make any concrete action, but using a dating app is the last thing I want to do. If I am ever going to play that fucking game, I will make sure to attempt to subvert the system. Still, I have other methods to try first, most notably going to the pub.

On a somewhat related notes, every legends I heard from the pre-2000 paint the pub as this magical place where single people go, but I find it hard to believe it was the only method people used. Maybe I should try to find ancients dating manuals to see the stillness beneath the transience...

How old are you? And yes dating in the 2010s and late 2000s was something else.

Its such a fucking chore, even when you meet women offline or cold approach them. Its not the initial conversation its the getting to know phase and the first few dates. You can get the number of every girl fast but then actually following up and making plans is almost impossible. And I blame social media and the constant unwarranted attention women get there.

Every woman gets on average 4 messages a day from different guys, argueably beta males. And they make a complete fool of themselves, I get those messages shown to me and I cringe every time.

They have too many to choose from, but end up with no one. Kinda like a grocery store that has 200 different items of e.g. toothpaste and you spend 30mins contemplating but end up buying nothing or take the one at the checkout.
 
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Oh I also thought about another thing I whish I was boen slightly earlier for: being able to partake in social activities that do not cost money.

Although this obviously still exists to an in extend, but it appears that nowadays most social activities that are not just going to someone's else house always cost money (although in most case you would have to pay gas anyway). That being said, I could imagine the pre-2000s being similar too since things like restaurant obviously existed back then.

On a somewhat related note, I don't like how many talking points are purely related to consuming products (i.e watching a movie), but I think that's just a zoomer-centric thing.
 

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being able to partake in social activities that do not cost money

This 1000% !!!

Stuff was also cheaper even just 5 years ago. It's not just going to the arcade or a bar, but getting there too. Transport costs are higher, many businesses that are local shut down for the bigger ones in the city.

Its like people became picky. Just kicking it at the river or hanging around in the mall is unheard of. And dates too. They expect a fancy date thats expensive, as If I'm a businessman from dubai.
 
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On a somewhat related note, I don't like how many talking points are purely related to consuming products (i.e watching a movie), but I think that's just a zoomer-centric thing.
Popular culture in general seems to have declined to blind consumption of products.

At least, the culture I engage with.

Movies/Show Watching: Has always been a bit consumerist, but the critical eye of many consumers is gone, now they mostly just consume mindlessly and then immediately forget about the latest movie.

Gaming: Has always been very consumerist (especially in the console space), but activities like modding, machinima, and even game ownership have eroded to the point where everything is a disposable product

Music: Don't even get me fucking started. What a disaster modern music is.

Tech: We have gone from computers booting up immediately to a BASIC interpreter and coming with thick manuals explaining the entire machine down to the individual components, to magic black boxes that we keep in our pockets and fill with proprietary apps, mostly so we can waste time playing games that want us to spend endless amounts of money on them.

It's not just "the zoomers are out of control", the culture itself has degraded and it may not be recoverable.
 

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Oh I also thought about another thing I whish I was boen slightly earlier for: being able to partake in social activities that do not cost money.

Although this obviously still exists to an in extend, but it appears that nowadays most social activities that are not just going to someone's else house always cost money (although in most case you would have to pay gas anyway). That being said, I could imagine the pre-2000s being similar too since things like restaurant obviously existed back then.
Is this a generational thing? I mean, for sure there's inflation and things are more expensive now than they were in the past, but of my 3 main hobbies (hiking, ttrpgs, and rhythm games), only one costs money.

It's also hard for me to imagine a time in which going to someone else's house didn't cost transportation fees.

On a somewhat related note, I don't like how many talking points are purely related to consuming products (i.e watching a movie), but I think that's just a zoomer-centric thing.
This I 100% agree with however. It's so hard for me to talk to "normies" who I don't share interests with. Everyone can laugh about a story someone tells about their work or their pet, even if your own job is completely different or you don't have a pet. You can only participate in a conversation about a movie if you've seen the movie. If I was a little more unhinged, I'd speculate that big media conglomerates try to push this trend in conversation to instill FOMO in everyone and raise sales.
 

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It's also hard for me to imagine a time in which going to someone else's house didn't cost transportation fees.
My dad talks about being able to walk or bike to a friend's house back in the day. By the time I came around there weren't many, if any kids in the neighborhood. Those that were around had parents who wanted to meet up in a public space and have both parents present. You can't just run around the neighborhood. Nowadays it's largely the same story that I went through. Just being subject to an adult's willingness to sit and watch.
 

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My dad talks about being able to walk or bike to a friend's house back in the day. By the time I came around there weren't many, if any kids in the neighborhood. Those that were around had parents who wanted to meet up in a public space and have both parents present. You can't just run around the neighborhood. Nowadays it's largely the same story that I went through. Just being subject to an adult's willingness to sit and watch.
Oh, that's true. I guess I didn't think of going to a friend's house as a child because I biked to my friends' houses when I was a kid. Although not everyone on this forum is in the same generation, so I guess I can't really generalize my experiences.
 

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Oh, that's true. I guess I didn't think of going to a friend's house as a child because I biked to my friends' houses when I was a kid. Although not everyone on this forum is in the same generation, so I guess I can't really generalize my experiences.
I want to have kids. I hope to give them the same freedom you and others from previous generations had. It's suffocating not even being able to talk to a friend without someone eyeing you the whole time.
 
It's not just "the zoomers are out of control", the culture itself has degraded and it may not be recoverable.
I wonder, where is (was) curiosity gone. (Not the sound lol).
I mean, children in past would like to divide things to dust just out of ... Cheer will.
Makes me sad. Also, that it could be (yay, blamehate!!!) parents fault, not caring about kids - they themselves didn't "adult" properly yet... What that is and how this happened and became a thing...
Did "forever 21" shops promote it? They hopped on wave? Coevolution? This... Really neoliberal simplification of everything - so you REALLY don't have to ask ... And just accept THE (only viable) reality(TM), where there is no future really and everything is "now-never", or (wishful) nostalgia of "what could have been"...
Does it make you sick? It could...
 
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Is this a generational thing? I mean, for sure there's inflation and things are more expensive now than they were in the past, but of my 3 main hobbies (hiking, ttrpgs, and rhythm games), only one costs money.

It's also hard for me to imagine a time in which going to someone else's house didn't cost transportation fees.


This I 100% agree with however. It's so hard for me to talk to "normies" who I don't share interests with. Everyone can laugh about a story someone tells about their work or their pet, even if your own job is completely different or you don't have a pet. You can only participate in a conversation about a movie if you've seen the movie. If I was a little more unhinged, I'd speculate that big media conglomerates try to push this trend in conversation to instill FOMO in everyone and raise sales.
Well, it is true that most thing cost money due to transportation fees. I guess an argument could be made that people used to live closer or something, but even back in my day, I needed to have acess to my parents' car to go to the house of my friend.

You could also make the argument that TTRPGs require a light source and thus has indirect costs, but maybe that's stretching it a bit too far lol.
 

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My parents had me in their 40s and are big into prog rock so I grew up with The Moody Blues, Pinky Floyd, The Beatles, and Queen as household mainstays. While I can still listen to those bands now, I can't ever experience them live in their prime. I would have loved to go to concerts back when they were active and young the way my parents did, smoking a doobie and getting to know other fans. Most of my current coworkers are Gen Xers and are genuinely happy to talk about music with me, so that's something...but definitely gives me "I was born in the wrong generation" vibes.

I have modern bands I like that I've seen live, mostly power metal, but the bands have far less showmanship than what it sounds like older bands did. Gloryhammer in their costumes is the closest I've gotten to seeing a good 'stage performance'. Maybe I'm just into the wrong bands idk.
 
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Missed out on blimp/airship travel and early luxury trains and airplanes. It's questionable if 1930s or later me would have been able to even afford it but i'm sure it would have been an unforgettable experience.
 
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In the 90s when most people didn't have a mobile phone. Making plans meant sticking to them and no attempts to change right at the last minute when everyone is already on their way or already there.

I did get a glimpse of this as a teen in the early to mid 2000s when we were just starting to get phones. My groups of friends didn't assume instant communication and we'd nail down plans using emails haha.

I miss how organised non-digital life forced everyone to be.

And I genuinely think I missed out on a time when people had to come to grips with their solitude and put effort into connections with their friends and family.
 
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Glad to see education mentioned before I show up here so I don't sound like a total weirdo. I missed out on a lot but this point feels key, like everything else is connected.

Education, schools, academia, all basically gutted and dead by the time I get there. Not hyper-insane obviously wrong post-2016 stuff, but things were already so wrong decades before that, getting worse and worse until the big holes finally started getting torn. Connection to history is gone, any kind of serious transmission of culture is given up on, streaming by intelligence/merit is considered evil chud shit so all classes move at the pace of someone with an IQ of 85. Disciplinary standards have slipped into an early priming on anarcho-tyranny.

I just recently read Peter Hitchens 'A Revolution Betrayed', on the successful political war waged by British Socialists against the Grammar School system. The particulars varied place to place, but it seems like that general shape of conflict took place all over the world. Seething idiots destroying anything rooted in classical culture which had division and hierarchy in its bones and replacing it with limp dreams and hot air. I knew several people who went to the most prestigious university in my country, which generally qualifies as about the 30th or so best in the world by international standards. Several of these people I would consider barely literate. All of them I would consider completely uncultured and ignorant.

We work, but we don't learn. It's not because we don't work enough. Things just aren't built around teaching anymore. Everything has been completely demented by the demands of keeping idiots and women around until age 18 until all that's left is a humiliating game impersonating an education program. I was told if I stuck it out until university I'd be relieved. Finally around my people, in something made for me. It's not. If anything it's even worse there. Modern schooling is a betrayal of those who actually belong there for the sake of those who don't. I'm not saying that was necessarily planned, but that's what it has become.

I read about the upbringings, intellectual lives, and experiences of boomers, the last grammar school generations, it's another world. A level of seriousness and cultivation I really just can't imagine. Of course I'm disappointed about losing out on such potential richness of life. But also I'm crushed by a lack of security and preparedness for the world which would have been almost unimaginable to befall an intelligent man of their generation. No knowledge, no job skills, no respected or desired credentials, just nothing for all those years in the machine. Being born in the wrong generation to get a real education means that by extension this is the wrong generation to have freedom, means, security, any capacity to build my own life. I was born into a time and place that gave up on equipping men to deal with the world. The finer the potential man, the greater the betrayal.

I was born in le wrong generation. Born too late to not be completely demoralised and thrown off track by a mandatory sham cultivation fake intellectual life that made me think I just hated being alive and nothing could be different. There's sports and normalfag stuff, and school. And if you don't like school that sucks because that's the limit of human experience beyond sports, tv, and alcoholism.

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Glad to see education mentioned before I show up here so I don't sound like a total weirdo. I missed out on a lot but this point feels key, like everything else is connected.

Education, schools, academia, all basically gutted and dead by the time I get there. Not hyper-insane obviously wrong post-2016 stuff, but things were already so wrong decades before that, getting worse and worse until the big holes finally started getting torn. Connection to history is gone, any kind of serious transmission of culture is given up on, streaming by intelligence/merit is considered evil chud shit so all classes move at the pace of someone with an IQ of 85. Disciplinary standards have slipped into an early priming on anarcho-tyranny.

I just recently read Peter Hitchens 'A Revolution Betrayed', on the successful political war waged by British Socialists against the Grammar School system. The particulars varied place to place, but it seems like that general shape of conflict took place all over the world. Seething idiots destroying anything rooted in classical culture which had division and hierarchy in its bones and replacing it with limp dreams and hot air. I knew several people who went to the most prestigious university in my country, which generally qualifies as about the 30th or so best in the world by international standards. Several of these people I would consider barely literate. All of them I would consider completely uncultured and ignorant.

We work, but we don't learn. It's not because we don't work enough. Things just aren't built around teaching anymore. Everything has been completely demented by the demands of keeping idiots and women around until age 18 until all that's left is a humiliating game impersonating an education program. I was told if I stuck it out until university I'd be relieved. Finally around my people, in something made for me. It's not. If anything it's even worse there. Modern schooling is a betrayal of those who actually belong there for the sake of those who don't. I'm not saying that was necessarily planned, but that's what it has become.

I read about the upbringings, intellectual lives, and experiences of boomers, the last grammar school generations, it's another world. A level of seriousness and cultivation I really just can't imagine. Of course I'm disappointed about losing out on such potential richness of life. But also I'm crushed by a lack of security and preparedness for the world which would have been almost unimaginable to befall an intelligent man of their generation. No knowledge, no job skills, no respected or desired credentials, just nothing for all those years in the machine. Being born in the wrong generation to get a real education means that by extension this is the wrong generation to have freedom, means, security, any capacity to build my own life. I was born into a time and place that gave up on equipping men to deal with the world. The finer the potential man, the greater the betrayal.

I was born in le wrong generation. Born too late to not be completely demoralised and thrown off track by a mandatory sham cultivation fake intellectual life that made me think I just hated being alive and nothing could be different. There's sports and normalfag stuff, and school. And if you don't like school that sucks because that's the limit of human experience beyond sports, tv, and alcoholism.

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