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When did the American dream die for you?

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For me it was a slow, gradual realization that everything I was told was all narrative and propaganda. The 9/11 Truth movement is a very good example as others pointed out - as well as the fact that so many people even today still believe the narrative sold to them that it was a foreign attack by "radical Muslims." Add on to this that the economy, social conditions, and the quality of life itself has gotten so bad that I see no sign of recovery. I think the final nail in the coffin moment for me was seeing Donald Trump - who said all of the right things in 2016 - end up becoming Reagan/W. Bush 2.0. Both of them were absolutely disastrous for the American people, with Reagan starting the drug wars that got us into this immigration crisis, cutting social programs like welfare and social security (ensuring we'll be wage slaves for the rest of our lives), and Bush continuing American imperialism through the endless wars in the Middle East. And yet these men are "Conservative heroes." But it's okay because Trump doesn't want trannies in the military (heckin' based, amiright?) We're all being sold shit on plate and that we should be grateful that at least it's not dog shit.
It's why I have zero faith in any "mass awakening" of the American people, because all of us are heavily propagandized and will make convenient excuses to ignore that which we don't want to hear. The "American Dream" is so enticing because it attracts those kinds of people who think that all it takes in life is "hard work" to get ahead in life. Too many Americans (especially Conservatives/MAGAtards) believe themselves to be temporarily-embarrassed millionaires - that if they just put in those 60 hour work-weeks long enough, and go above and beyond at their job - maybe, just maybe - they could be the next Elon Musk. Forget the plethora of variables like genetics, likeability, looks, location, education level, perception, networking, mental and physical disabilities, etc. If you're broke its your own fault because you're lazy! I would know because Dave Ramsey and Aaron Clarey said so!
And so for decades we've had Conservatives "solving" collective issues with an individualistic approach and Democrats solving individual problems with a collective approach (it's White men's fault, all of them). Both parties have done an outstanding job distracting all of us with the "culture war" of bathrooms and fake genders that we forgot that Covid was the greatest upwards transfer of wealth in history, how wages have been stagnate for 30+ years, and that Gen Z (my generation) will not have kids or work if we continue down this trajectory. No amount of shaming or a false sense of patriotism will get me to change my mind about this, I'm speaking from years and years of experiences and political reevaluations and I'm not going to suddenly turn around and rejoice because Trump is president.
 

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For me it was a slow, gradual realization that everything I was told was all narrative and propaganda. The 9/11 Truth movement is a very good example as others pointed out - as well as the fact that so many people even today still believe the narrative sold to them that it was a foreign attack by "radical Muslims." Add on to this that the economy, social conditions, and the quality of life itself has gotten so bad that I see no sign of recovery. I think the final nail in the coffin moment for me was seeing Donald Trump - who said all of the right things in 2016 - end up becoming Reagan/W. Bush 2.0. Both of them were absolutely disastrous for the American people, with Reagan starting the drug wars that got us into this immigration crisis, cutting social programs like welfare and social security (ensuring we'll be wage slaves for the rest of our lives), and Bush continuing American imperialism through the endless wars in the Middle East. And yet these men are "Conservative heroes." But it's okay because Trump doesn't want trannies in the military (heckin' based, amiright?) We're all being sold shit on plate and that we should be grateful that at least it's not dog shit.
It's why I have zero faith in any "mass awakening" of the American people, because all of us are heavily propagandized and will make convenient excuses to ignore that which we don't want to hear. The "American Dream" is so enticing because it attracts those kinds of people who think that all it takes in life is "hard work" to get ahead in life. Too many Americans (especially Conservatives/MAGAtards) believe themselves to be temporarily-embarrassed millionaires - that if they just put in those 60 hour work-weeks long enough, and go above and beyond at their job - maybe, just maybe - they could be the next Elon Musk. Forget the plethora of variables like genetics, likeability, looks, location, education level, perception, networking, mental and physical disabilities, etc. If you're broke its your own fault because you're lazy! I would know because Dave Ramsey and Aaron Clarey said so!
And so for decades we've had Conservatives "solving" collective issues with an individualistic approach and Democrats solving individual problems with a collective approach (it's White men's fault, all of them). Both parties have done an outstanding job distracting all of us with the "culture war" of bathrooms and fake genders that we forgot that Covid was the greatest upwards transfer of wealth in history, how wages have been stagnate for 30+ years, and that Gen Z (my generation) will not have kids or work if we continue down this trajectory. No amount of shaming or a false sense of patriotism will get me to change my mind about this, I'm speaking from years and years of experiences and political reevaluations and I'm not going to suddenly turn around and rejoice because Trump is president.
ummm what do you mean? President blumf totally owned the libtards by winning the wholesome latinx vote and supporting the LGTBQ without the +. Hes literally the most based and red pilled president ever. TRVST THE PLQN you chud.

Fr though Populism is a joke and I don't think people are gunna ever wake up to that in my lifetime. People are still enamored by the sacred cow that is Democracy and think they actually have a say in how the world works. The "will of the people" is not a real entity that possesses any leverage. You will never be able to vote for a candidate that doesn't serve the interests of Israel. Why? because to become a candidate in the first place you have to be backed and funded by those who already possess power. They are not just gunna allow someone to run who goes against their own interests. It's an illusion of choice. You get to vote for either the establisment or the counter-elite. Both serve the intrests of the corperations and lobbyists who funded them.
 

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After occupy wall street spectacularly shat itself and IDPOL started reaching mainstream is when it all started slowly to crumble for me, cultural soft-power corner stones of America like Cali or NY became unlivable hellholes. Then I went to Zillow to check average home prices and that was like pissing on the carcass of the dream.

If you gave me a green card right now and told me to go ham I probably wouldn't know what the fuck to do and how to approach it, job markets fucked, everything is expensive, housing is fucked. People are more polarized and isolated and angry, not like the happy suburbs and neighbors greeting you with pies and casseroles I saw and heard about. I get that these problems aren't unique to America but the whole west and sure it isn't unsolvable but to a "fresh off the boat political refugee from cuba immigrant" it's doubly difficult. I still like it all more then not, the guns, the food, the culture, the freedom but it just seems like unobtanium. It feels like I'm chasing the dream as much as the people living there, maybe even more. This is coming from someone who used to dream about living in the US, despite the turbulent 90s in the Balkans and the US involvement. I would give anything for it back then, now it's downgraded to a more "there's still more good then bad" when it comes to America but I don't know how much I believe it anymore.

If any American is offended sorry but also too fucking bad, you should be more angry then me, more betrayed. I sure as hell feel betrayed and I haven't stepped a foot in the damn country.

Maybe I'm wrong... I sure I wish I am.
 
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As a non American i remember everyone looking fondly towards America and viewing them as the best place to be. This image died for me as soon as I learnt about the things that happened in Iraq, the insane lobbies of corporate entities, the extreme poverty in cities like Cicago and LA, the blatant segregation and racism that exists till this day and divides american society and the extreme amounts of school shootings and gang warfare. When did you realise the American dream was a lie?
The American Dream died in 2001 (prove me I'm wrong)
 

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I still believe in the American dream in the sense that we can turn our stuff around. We allowed our government to become too paternalistic, and it's backfiring, but people are starting to notice it and fix it. The problem with letting the American dream die is that that is what causes the death even further. Japan is amazing at this sort of stagnation. The way out of the death of the american dream is, from a broad perspective, relatively easy, I believe: Monopolies out, birth rates in, taxes down, feds down, and housing regs loosened. Ofc that over simplifies it ten-fold, but that is what the basis of the problems are. I think it's definitely achievable in maybe 3 or 4 decades, which isn't too much.
 
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I'm a pretty humble person so I have pretty low expectations. I'd been happier living in a trailer in the middle of no-where, then living in some 2 story house in a suburb.
My issue with the American dream is that its measure by someones material success and not by genuine happiness and or spiritual well being.

I recommend Americans(or anyone thinking of pressuring the American dream) to read the book Walden by Henry David Thoreau
 

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I was born in 2003, my formative memories are of economic crash and things getting worse for wear. The American Dream for me is what America could be, the city on the hill, but every year it feels like the ship us Americans are on are steering farther and farther away from that hill.

It's always funny to me how pre 9/11 movies show the government as benevolent overseers, any disaster flick pre 9/11 shows the government as a hyper competent bureaucratic machine, and Morgan Freeman is president. Funny how things change.
 
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I guess I'll be the only one here to say the American Dream has not died for me.

I've managed to live the kind of life I wanted and do the things I wanted to do. I went through college, have worked great jobs that allowed me to travel across the world and the country in general. I've lived in multiple states, traveled and had a fun life. There have been times where it has been tough, then again, when is life not hard?

I'm not a millionaire, and that's totally fine.

Americans truly take for granted our freedoms and how well we have it. I didn't come to learn and appreciate this until I worked in Germany and traveled across Europe. I would not want to trade my place to move anywhere else in the world. I used to be very left leaning and believed all the usual BS that comes from that side of the aisle about how America is irredeemable and Europe is some paradise of high taxes and free stuff. I was mugged by reality once I got there in the real world, and that experience made me come back home with a completely different mindset and appreciation for what I have.


I'm a pretty humble person so I have pretty low expectations. I'd been happier living in a trailer in the middle of no-where, then living in some 2 story house in a suburb.
My issue with the American dream is that its measure by someones material success and not by genuine happiness and or spiritual well being.

I recommend Americans(or anyone thinking of pressuring the American dream) to read the book Walden by Henry David Thoreau


I agree with this post entirely.

The American Dream used to be measured by happiness and a level of spirituality. That went out the window after religion lost it's dominance over culture.
 
I used to want to be American so bad, I wished I could live there and experience what it is like, and honestly, the only thing that got me through that is accepting that I will never live there and I will never experience these things. I will never have Starbucks or ChikFillA or whatever other fast food Americans consume on a daily basis. I will never experience Christmas in winter huddled up under blankets watching Home Alone with hot chocolate and the fireplace sizzling beneath the TV. I will never watch an American football game 3with my friends eating hotdogs and drinking beer.

I kind of just accepted that it would never happen, and learnt to embrace my own culture instead. I might not live in America but that doesn't mean that my life is over and I have no importance in this world. I am apart of other diverse and interesting cultures that I love. Instead of complaining about not living the American dream, I grew up and worked with what I actually have.

One day I might move to America, who knows? But for now I am staying right here, and I wouldn't change it for the world.
There is a lot to be said in favor of staying where you live so long as its peaceful and you have a way to survive and thrive. The American model of excessive consumption isn't one to emulate or aspire to even though the media wants us to consume as much as we can. Buy the biggest Ford truck with a tiny bed you never use to haul anything. Buy a McMansion and live in it with your wife and fill it with junk.

There is a lot of value in enjoying your own culture and America has a big facade of wealth and prosperity but like a Potemkin village it hides the fact that Americans cant afford these homes and go into 30 year mortgages and that most are just one mishap away from ending up homeless or in severe medical debt. With that said, there are also tremendous upsides but looking to switch places to solve problems is just going to leave you dissatisfied when you find out your new place comes with a new set of problems.

Idk might be 6-7th grade when I realised (b.99 and went year later than peers to school, starting (t.f.) at 8, 2007) in my early teens, than not only American but all dreams are fake and that future they promised me was gone because no one believed anything anymore, I didn't and reality had no basis on anything anymore. Anything could happen and no one would care, world might be fake but only thing to do is to ... *vaguely throwing hands* for what, specifically?!
I had depression until grade 2 (ES ending with. 9th, 1, 2) on "middle school/college"(?)...
Aren't dreams supposed to be fake though? Thats why they are dreams, because they represent an idealized situation free of the constraints of reality. And thats why we try to reach them, because we want to reach the state of being free of the constraints of reality.
still alive.

i'm livin' it every time i wake up. roll over. rip my 7 ft bong. morning wood throbbing. i salute the eagle, and hop on my dirt bike for my morning cig run.
You sir are why this country was founded. Rogue, Independent, Flag raising, Eagle Saluting, Dirt bike riders.
here are a series of events that made me want utter destruction against the United States government:

-THE GENOCIDE AGAINST INDIGENOUS PEOPLE NORTH AMERICA

-WAR CRIMES IN IRAQ

-WAR CRIMES IN AFGHANISTAN

-OPERATION GLADIO

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGHXjO8wHsA


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Z-bQSd7dQ


-COINTELPRO:

-SYSTEMATIC MISTREATMENT OF THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY

and many more...

Oof, bro brought up the receipts. Sadly these are a small portion of the LOOOOOONG list of misdeeds that now weigh heavily on the nation. Each one of these national sins will continue to weigh on the country until they are either resolved or the nation finishes crashing and burning. Just treat people nicely and fairly, is that too much to ask for the so-called richest nation in the world.
For me it was a slow, gradual realization that everything I was told was all narrative and propaganda. The 9/11 Truth movement is a very good example as others pointed out - as well as the fact that so many people even today still believe the narrative sold to them that it was a foreign attack by "radical Muslims." Add on to this that the economy, social conditions, and the quality of life itself has gotten so bad that I see no sign of recovery. I think the final nail in the coffin moment for me was seeing Donald Trump - who said all of the right things in 2016 - end up becoming Reagan/W. Bush 2.0. Both of them were absolutely disastrous for the American people, with Reagan starting the drug wars that got us into this immigration crisis, cutting social programs like welfare and social security (ensuring we'll be wage slaves for the rest of our lives), and Bush continuing American imperialism through the endless wars in the Middle East. And yet these men are "Conservative heroes." But it's okay because Trump doesn't want trannies in the military (heckin' based, amiright?) We're all being sold shit on plate and that we should be grateful that at least it's not dog shit.
It's why I have zero faith in any "mass awakening" of the American people, because all of us are heavily propagandized and will make convenient excuses to ignore that which we don't want to hear. The "American Dream" is so enticing because it attracts those kinds of people who think that all it takes in life is "hard work" to get ahead in life. Too many Americans (especially Conservatives/MAGAtards) believe themselves to be temporarily-embarrassed millionaires - that if they just put in those 60 hour work-weeks long enough, and go above and beyond at their job - maybe, just maybe - they could be the next Elon Musk. Forget the plethora of variables like genetics, likeability, looks, location, education level, perception, networking, mental and physical disabilities, etc. If you're broke its your own fault because you're lazy! I would know because Dave Ramsey and Aaron Clarey said so!
And so for decades we've had Conservatives "solving" collective issues with an individualistic approach and Democrats solving individual problems with a collective approach (it's White men's fault, all of them). Both parties have done an outstanding job distracting all of us with the "culture war" of bathrooms and fake genders that we forgot that Covid was the greatest upwards transfer of wealth in history, how wages have been stagnate for 30+ years, and that Gen Z (my generation) will not have kids or work if we continue down this trajectory. No amount of shaming or a false sense of patriotism will get me to change my mind about this, I'm speaking from years and years of experiences and political reevaluations and I'm not going to suddenly turn around and rejoice because Trump is president.
Fuckin based, stole all the words I was going to post. Damn.


Contrary to most people's expectations of me. I think the American dream is alive and well for me and at the same time it feels like its further away than ever before and not only that the destruction of the currency through inflation means that every day it gets just slightly further out of reach like I'm on a treadmill trying to reach it and its like well at least I'm on the track trying to chase it. I have a great job so I can afford things like houses and healthcare and even to join the capital owning class through the stock market depending on how well I can manage to save money to invest it. But at the same time, the harsh truth is that this great job won't last forever and its a race against time to complete all the tasks before time is up.

Yeah I can go buy all the chik-fil-a and go to the baseball game with friends with beer and hotdogs, but thats not the real america. At least I don't feel it to be, the real America is supposed to be a land of opportunity where anyone and I mean anyone through hard work and grit can make it in life and provide for their young and become successful, but sadly that is not the reality on the ground as much as people want it to be. Due to the relentless pumping of fresh new dollars into the economy to stop it from stalling out and contracting the purchasing power of the average American has eroded to where most can't scrape together $1,000 for an emergency fund. They really are just one small disaster from being in fiscal trouble. Houses continue to inflate in price both because of fiscal inflation more dollars chasing the same amount of goods, and your wages remain the same so you technically get paid less. But because houses are seen as a stable investment and if you didn't buy one in 1956 too bad for you sign for this 30 year mortgage for a $300,000-$400,000 house built from plywood, cardboard, drywall, and new growth wood all of which will start to decay almost immediately after the first rain. This also means that most people's wealth is tied in up the house and not in productive things like the stock market and the government is less likely to want to build massive supply of housing which would kill housing values.

Like yeah I have a new paid off car, but things don't make you happy for any longer than the first month at best one week on average. This is why people here have shopping habits, they want to fire up the pleasure centers of the brain by continuously acquiring things they don't really need on credit cards that they only pay the minimum on. Its not a lifestyle worth envying because you and they know that there is no happy ending to the story. You can't buy your way to happiness. Look at Musk, richest man in the world and friendless wifeless and subject of ridicule the world over. If I had his level of wealth you'd never hear of me. I'd be off inventing cures to disease, solving real issues, and hiring the best and brightest to solve world problems. Maybe that's why I am not an ultra-rich money lover, I want to actually help others than to gain pointless levels of wealth.

The government is abysmally bad and run by the elderly in the legislature. People ages 60+ who have barely any conception of the world post internet are the ones doing all the laws and decisions because it turns out the youth don't bother to vote but they LOOOVE to complain about the country. These elders gave out a stimulus check for $1,200 and thought that it would help people live a few weeks like its 1960s of their youth. Rent swallowed up my stimulus check, others bought random dumb bullshit. You have Trump in the white house, a person so unqualified and unfit to lead the country with his easily bruised pride at the front and his lack of personal intelligence he captured the hearts of minds of the public by finally speaking their way and at a level they could understand. Spoilers: there are a lot of dumb people in America and they are part of the problem. The American government is dysfunctional and maybe this is by design, but the process of a bill becoming national law is incredibly arduous. Bills have to be created in committee and then they have to be approved to exit the committee and then the leader of the lower or upper chamber has to approve of them to be voted on and each chamber has its own committees. Your issue didn't get brought up? Too bad go wait more idiot.

Okay so if your issue made it out of committee and into the docket, and the leader of the chamber approves it for voting then it can try to meet a simple majority. Except, in the upper chamber it has to meet an 60 vote threshold because they love extra rules and a sixty vote threshold is for ending debate so voting can start, but unfortunately the upper chamber almost never has a solid 60 vote margin and its always so razor thin. Also both sides have to bring up this issue and vote on it, and pass it in both chambers. And the chambers are almost never aligned by political party and then they have to reconcile the differences and then the president can just veto the whole thing and they probably will if they are from the other party so then you need an even higher margin to override their veto. And right when you think its at the end, the supreme court can decide that the law was unconstitutional try again bozo. With this convoluted system barely anything gets done, either via intentional obstruction, or procedural. Things will remain the same. So instead they have a few must pass bills and this is where the majority of action happens. Defense bill, and the national budget bill, so the fight becomes finding a way to attach what you want as an amendment to those bills and hope others vote for it. its all so tiresome and so convoluted but this is the way they pass laws.

Suburbia, dear god where do I begin. I hate suburbia, there is nothing to do where you don't need a car. To do anything you need to get into a car. Car car car. Groceries? Car. School? Car or bus for children. and then you need to find parking but theres never enough supply because people drive cars that are meant to hold 4 people and only 1 person is inside all the time. Especially with these bloated Yukons, Denalis, Sierras. And now you need to pay for parking or find on street parking and somehow manage to fit in the on street parking. And then you have to drive past massive neighborhoods of single family housing in over consumption of land and resources its like the loading screen of life. Downtowns are somehow worse because everyone commutes from their suburb to the inner core and then drives back out so theres no food shops, no anything, after 5pm. And going shopping to a shopping district is a exercise in pain. I will never visit other shops in the shopping district because all the shops take like 15-30 minutes of walking to get to so instead I just go to the walmart and then leave. In a proper shopping district I should be able to visit more than one shop without feeling "far". Malls are the supposed fix to this, but all the malls are dying because again nobody wants to go when they just go to one shop and then leave. Personally, I avoid the mall like the plague. Annoying teenagers, actually they banned teenagers from the mall because too many started fights and destroying things, so the malls have even less clientele and also all their prices are high.

Almost all of these issues are surmountable. They really are, but unfortunately your average American is basically illiterate, uneducated despite having degrees, and generally happy to stay ignorant of the world blissfully enveloped in the stupor of football, drugs, or other hedonism. They country is/was too easy for the idiot to survive in and thus they have now replicated and outnumber anyone with a brain. You see these mouth breathers on the road all the time taking bad choices and making them the problem of everyone else.

Smart choices like:
driving like an F1 racer in a shopping parking lot
driving like a jackass with excessive acceleration, turning, and breaking on a 35MPH road in traffic
driving on the furthest most lane and not moving to the right. Keep right except to pass bozo.
running reds

You wonder why it is that people who are muslim vote for a Trump a person that did a muslim ban and you realize they are stupid. Why would hispanics want to vote for trump a person who flooded the street with immigration enforcement agents causing them to go through humiliating immigration inspections repeatedly. Taco-bozo you are illegal immigrant between inspections. Papers please. Or why people would vote FOR tariffs believing the lie that other countries would pay the tariff. These bozos voted in the largest tax hike in history fully believing that other nations would pay for it. They were sold this idea that if they just have high traiffs on other nations that manufacturing would onshore again, but oops, American labor is the most expensive in the world and its cheaper to make things literally everywhere else. The cherry on top of this is they failed to realize Trump negotiated the USMCA agreement creating a free trade zone with Canada and Mexico so to evade tariffs they can just import and manufacture in Mexico and ship it northward. But don't worry Trump will decide tomorrow between breakfast and dinner to remove the tariffs, or he might not, or he will add more. Who knows? This is toxic for business. Business needs stability.

Student loans are another symptom of stupidity. Midwits 18-19 years old taking out massive government backed student loans just because societal expectations led them to believe that it was a mandatory requirement. They did zero research on their courses of study and unsurprisingly cannot afford to repay their loans. Bad debt for bad degrees and now they want loan forgiveness. Full availability of the internet on those smart telephones they are always face deep in, yet they don't know what an APR is and don't know how to google "What is an APR" and these are your so called college educated students. Entire internet in their hands and they know nothing about anything with these worthless degrees.

Cars are another symptom of how stupid the average person has become. Massive car loans at 20-35% APR this is nearly highway robbery all for very small down payments. All because they are too stupid to find a loan calculator online and figure out their total after-loan payment and focus on a small monthly payment. "If I can pay it every month then I can pay for it all" and this is where the auto dealers take advantage of them by giving them small monthly payments for very long terms. One I saw was 248 months. Usually, they end up underwater on the loan and instead get a new vehicle and roll over the bad debt into a new loan. Roll roll roll. And all for an SUV or over sized truck priced at $80,000-120,000 with no more mechanical reliability than the warranty period at best.

So America has the potential to return/be a great nation but several factors continue to prevent the appearance/return of the American dream and ultimately I don't really see way out of this mess. Evil you can reason with and it usually implodes on itself, but stupid believes itself to be righteous and above correction and refuses to listen to reason just like these MAGA fools who tried shooting at FEMA during the previous disaster and then wondered why FEMA wasn't coming over. All because on facebook they saw an unverified post that FEMA was going to take their land. No, your land is worthless because it got washed out in a storm. Or the other fools who thought that two hurricanes hitting Florida was 1,000% proof that the government has a super special laser to guide the storm and they guided the storm to hit Florida as punishment for voting red. Even human nukes can't do much to a hurricane. Their proof for this laser was some ancient post about how the government controls the weather and then extrapolating because "technology gets better over time." Nobody controls the weather, if they did, the western half of the country would be rainy and hydrated instead of in a near-devastating drought every few years.

But there is a silver lining here, the country will eventually finish imploding. So the story does have a happy ending. Lol.
 
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For those of you who want to immigrate to the US. Don't. It's not worth it, immigrate to a country that actually has a future and can get its act together to pass laws in its legislature. The US is so cooked from an immigration perspective its cooked the ashes twice over and then nuked them just for giggles. Click the image to make it big so you can read it well.

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So you might say okay, 6-10 years via employment isn't too bad. Except thats the BEST CASE. If you are unlucky to be born in a high population country then your nation has probably consumed all the available visas for your nation.
These are the wait times before your application to immigrate for permanent residence. It means that as of today, May 5/12/2025 they are still working on applications from 2016 and yes, they are still working on some applications from 15th of JAN 2001. This is because there are per-country limits and for high population country they have to wait for new visas to be available and yes some are thrown away meaning unused. You have to wait until the below mentioned time advances to today's date if you file today. Sometimes the dates do not advance. Sometimes they retogress. Meaning backwards. LOL!!!

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The work situation is a little better, though it is not easy to get one via work you have to be eligible through a convoluted process of determining if a visa is able to be issued out. Many first try to get an H1B and these are competitive and come with big restrictions. Can't leave your job or your H1B is revoked within 30-60 days and you are at the mercy of your employer deciding to file your green card or not. If they don't want to then keep working bozo. If they do then you can wait the until the below mentioned time is equal to today's date. Most countries its not too bad, Indians have it the worst. 2013 lol.
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Oh I almost forgot the best part of this, this system was last overhauled in the 80s and 2000s the 80s set up a lot of it, and then the 2000s made the system very harsh. Since then, what, 25 years, they've failed to pass legislation to update the system despite trying. Convoluted legislation system means badly needed updates never succeed. Too easy to derail things.

Find a better country to immigrate to, do not subject yourself to this. You deserve better as an Agoran. As an Agoran you deserve nothing but the best, but you have to fight for it.
 
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To me the American dream is prescriptive and assumes everyone wants the same thing. It's "dead" if you don't want these same things(a house, a good wife/husband, kids etc).

The part of the American dream that is dead, is the prescribed boomer roadmap. Studying hard at school, going to University, being a loyal wage slave to one company, marrying and having kids and getting a house somewhere along the way. You certainly can take this roadmap, but you'll probably end up in decades of debt for it.

The important thing about the American dream is the part where you take that dream and then change it into your dream and what you want to get in life. And then because what worked 20 years ago is unlikely to work today, and what worked 40+ years ago is even more unlikely... you have to figure out your own roadmap to your dream.

In other words... the "American Dream" is generally off limits to dead players
 
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Manifest Destiny... aka Donald Trump's dream... So much winning they'll be tired of all the winning...
do you mean, that one meme/(all-wrong) article about "gen x having it too good", mentioning matrix, fight club, network and (one other i forgot)
or you were sarcastic?
 
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For me, the British dream is alive and well.
Honestly, I started questioning the whole idea after watching friends go into debt just to stay afloat while working full time. It's like the ladder is still there, but most of the rungs are missing now. That said, I don't think it's totally dead—it just looks different. Some people are finding their version of the dream in smaller towns, self-employment, or community living. It's not the 1950s anymore, and maybe that's okay. I am still happy to have delta airlines and travel the world, let see where it takes me next time.
 
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