YouTube Getting More Draconian On Adblockers

[imnotdeadyet]

alright

thought experiment: let's say 100% of people use Adblock and YouTube makes no revenue. What happens?

Nah I think people are fully aware that without ads youtube and most of it's creators will crash and burn, Google hasn't exactly fostered goodwill in the last decade. I just hate that they do it in this "push and shove" manner like they're a small indie website pleading for you to turn off that adblock like they desperately need the ad revenue. Should have just baked-in the video ads like twitch did and skip all this dumbass drama. If you're gonna go full corpo then go full corpo.

I'd rather give my money directly to the content creators.

I like this way of doing it even if it isn't sustainable for most creators. In a perfect world we'd all toss like a buck a month at a creator making great content and they'd be well off for life. Unfortunately it just doesn't work out like that unless the creator goes full parasocial or is some controversial politik messiah. Patreon conversion rates are generally not great for the average creator(<0.1%).

 

[imacop]

Patreon conversion rates are generally not great for the average creator(<0.1%).

This is interesting to hear. Donation compensation is often a black box unless the content creator specifically says how much they're making, how they're living, or something to that effect. If they're putting out a constant stream of content, you can at least determine that they're making a living off of their output vs doing it on the side (which is the ideal, I think).

 

[bnuungus]

I've gotten the adblock not allowed message but I don't really see the point because I'm just able to x out that screen and continue as normal

 

[imnotdeadyet]

This is interesting to hear. Donation compensation is often a black box unless the content creator specifically says how much they're making, how they're living, or something to that effect. If they're putting out a constant stream of content, you can at least determine that they're making a living off of their output vs doing it on the side (which is the ideal, I think).

Yeah we can never truly know (unless shown) how much a creator makes off donations alone. With stuff like patreon you can at least guesstimate according to the number of patrons (+if the amount is shown). A rough estimate I made off some patreon data showed me that for most creators, compared to their youtube subs, have a below 1% conversion rate for patreon. For comparison: View to Subscriber ratio on YouTube is usually around 10% and out of those 10%, 10-30% have notifications on.

 

[Pangolin]

alright

thought experiment: let's say 100% of people use Adblock and YouTube makes no revenue. What happens?

Freedom, Liberation, the YouTube voice crashes and burns and while some might not like the burning of youtube and so much great content they have grown too big and regulations don't target them well. I want the old youtube back, with the ad-hoc content that made them large and gave them the leading edge. Not a sea of mass produced corpo-media. Where are the independent creators?

Let it all burn in a digital fire. I will never pay for youtube and use ublock on chromium, and brave on my phone and it cleans out their ad-mess. Never saw any of their agressive ads.

Final point: YouTube is already dead, they are in the pinching juice from spent lemons stage and it will only bring diminishing returns or decrease revenue in the long term.

 

[Some_porcupine]

Freedom, Liberation, the YouTube voice crashes and burns and while some might not like the burning of youtube and so much great content they have grown too big and regulations don't target them well. I want the old youtube back, with the ad-hoc content that made them large and gave them the leading edge. Not a sea of mass produced corpo-media. Where are the independent creators?

Let it all burn in a digital fire. I will never pay for youtube and use ublock on chromium, and brave on my phone and it cleans out their ad-mess. Never saw any of their agressive ads.

Final point: YouTube is already dead, they are in the pinching juice from spent lemons stage and it will only bring diminishing returns or decrease revenue in the long term.

new system: since no one (barely) clicks ads anymore, they can do "webing" ads instead.
but that is too utopia - why to try to connect world (not in the homogenzation way) rather than to classics, divide and conqueer, right...!?

 

[Ardea]

Use ytfzf to browse videos and mpv to view them. Use yt-dlp to download them. This has the benefit of sidestepping ads and most trackers but it also allows people with lower end hardware (like me) to scrape what they need from the modern web. Using this method also bypasses the age filter meaning you can watch age-restricted videos without having a google account. If you're interested in managing channels you enjoy without having a google account, you might want to look into newsboat. Not only is it a fantastic RSS feed reader in general but you can add youtube channels as RSS feeds. You can set macros to pipe any new video straight into mpv, which is really neat. The same principle applies with Rumble, Peertube etc.

 

[imacop]

Where are the independent creators?

Let it all burn in a digital fire. I will never pay for youtube and use ublock on chromium, and brave on my phone and it cleans out their ad-mess. Never saw any of their agressive ads.

My feed is made up almost completely of independent creators. Granted some of these producers get larger as they become more successful, as in, can make a living off of it or hire a few extra people (MKBHD comes to mind). They're still independent and put out great content. Check out Kraut and Louis Rossman if you don't believe me.

What the algorithm suggests is heavily dependent upon what you're watching. If you're not logged in and always visiting the home page, you're going to get a different impression than those of us with curated viewing habits.

Final point: YouTube is already dead, they are in the pinching juice from spent lemons stage and it will only bring diminishing returns or decrease revenue in the long term.

Not even remotely true. YouTube is doing better than ever and has enabled content creators to bring creative stuff to millions of eyes and be able to make a living while doing it.

Parting thought: just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad.

 

[Some_porcupine]

What the algorithm suggests is heavily dependent upon what you're watching. If you're not logged in and always visiting the home page, you're going to get a different impression than those of us with curated viewing habits.

sad. they should make unified one somewhere
but i guess that will end the big shilling around the world, classics the divide and conqueir

 

[imnotdeadyet]

Not even remotely true. YouTube is doing better than ever

You're not wrong there technically, YouTube has in the past few years actually become profitable. It wasn't for a long time so I understand why people still think it's a massive money sink. But YouTube and google are far from a good spot growth wise which can be seen by some of the desperate moves from youtube, like this ad thing.

People and corpos have a hard time adjusting in this post "free money" (near 0% interest rate loan money) era, it's not enough to be a majority in a market anymore and just hope you start making money somehow, now corpos actually need to make profit and grow that profit from year to year or they will fail.

 

[Pangolin]

If your corpo can only survive in the free money era and dies when it has to make profit you didn't actually have a corpo but a zombie and it should die expeditiously and stay dead.

 

[imacop]

You're not wrong there technically, YouTube has in the past few years actually become profitable. It wasn't for a long time so I understand why people still think it's a massive money sink. But YouTube and google are far from a good spot growth wise which can be seen by some of the desperate moves from youtube, like this ad thing.

People and corpos have a hard time adjusting in this post "free money" (near 0% interest rate loan money) era, it's not enough to be a majority in a market anymore and just hope you start making money somehow, now corpos actually need to make profit and grow that profit from year to year or they will fail.

Thanks for adding context, I'd forgotten that important bit. In addition to interest rate hikes, we're also getting into a post-growth era where investors feel they've done enough with helping a company gain market share and want to start seeing some return on their investment. Another form of "free money" (at least temporarily) for startups is drying up. Perhaps the interest rate hikes have spurred the move to demanding returns.

 

[Some_porcupine]

Thanks for adding context, I'd forgotten that important bit. In addition to interest rate hikes, we're also getting into a post-growth era where investors feel they've done enough with helping a company gain market share and want to start seeing some return on their investment. Another form of "free money" (at least temporarily) for startups is drying up. Perhaps the interest rate hikes have spurred the move to demanding returns.

saw tweet once (sic) "what is it, are we back 20 years ago, when internet broadband is pricy again?!"
or like that
cant locate it again

 

[imnotdeadyet]

If your corpo can only survive in the free money era and dies when it has to make profit you didn't actually have a corpo but a zombie and it should die expeditiously and stay dead.

I for one welcome dotcom 2.0: electric boogaloo , would be funny to see normies shit themselves because no Netflix, Uber and most internet corpo drivel they've taken for granted. The schadenfreude would be worth it.

Perhaps the interest rate hikes have spurred the move to demanding returns.

They definitely have, we've seen that with the intensifying anti consumer, for profit only practices.

 

[imacop]

Getting some major Joker vibes in dis tread

 

[imnotdeadyet]

Getting some major Joker vibes in dis tread

 

[Deckade]

Skipping ads is still easy, all you need to do is when you load a video and an ad is playing, go back a page with the back button then go forward a page with the forward button

 

[alCannium27]

LIke it or not, the era of free money is over; VCs are wising up to the fact that their business practices had been based on one of the longest bull markets in history, and that is coming to an end. These growth-driven businesses, especially websites and social medias that's taken into too many billions of investment dollars will have to make actual greens now or the VCs will have to take their fake monies elsewhere. Too much VC dollars have ruined the firms, going to places they shouldn't have a strangle-hold on. Now everybody's desparate to earn that return for them or all the cards fall down.
It's not just Youtube, everyone's doing it; whereas the priority was growth in the fool-hardy hope that somehow these numbers will become money one day, the priority of today is that one day is coming due, and nobody's making money. I dunno, if Youtube's not making money, they are gonna have to shutdown -- and that might be a good thing.
On the other hand, Youtube has become a, cough, "eco-system", in which countless however many people staked their livelihoods. The sudden disappearane of these jobs, however you see them as, isn't gonna be healthy to the economy either. At the end of the day, someone's gotta pay for Youtube to make money. It's not you then it's advertisers, because VCs aren't paying anymore.
Thanks to their bullish money that AI's getting all the push it's getting tho. I hope they don't live to enjoy the blossoming of the century.

 

[Some_porcupine]

Dot-com/bubble crisis 2: electric boogaloo

 

[Dr. MacGutsy]

Why has nobody said anything about Invidious? It works fine and you can download videos/audio.

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