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The "One God" & Distinction Between Magical And Religious Texts In Ancient Egypt
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[QUOTE="Vitnira, post: 108795, member: 6171"] Fantastic post, the sort of theological discussion I want to see on the road. I've been dwelling on the concept of monotheism/polytheism lately so this part really sings to me: (I think I missed this in the paganism thread because when I checked on the thread it had devolved into shitposting...Sad, it was a very good post) A God-before-others does seem to be a natural progression of polytheism. Look at Hinduism. Clearly based on trends, the Germanics would have unified around Wodanaz as a God-before-others - in modern times we do have Odinists that take Him as their chief god, and obviously He's at the center of my personal pantheon. I've listened to this about 4 times now: [MEDIA=youtube]1sYAzrBahH4[/MEDIA] I'm starting to believe humans aren't capable of following a monotheist religion in the sense that most people mean it - of a religion where there is a single Divine source with nothing less powerful underneath it to be worshipped. In what we call monotheistic religions there is a God before other Gods, and the tiering of the other entities varies. Christians attempt to get around this by saying "Jesus is God", but for most of Christian history there have always been demons, angels, and saints - all of which take the place of Gods-underneath-God in the Christian pantheon. And even among the Christians that [I]say[/I] "Jesus is also God" there is always a discontinuity between how they perceive Christ and God. For instance, the average Fundie Christian (including many on this forum) seems to actually have this as their Jesus: [ATTACH type="full" width="410px"]96243[/ATTACH] And even though memes aren't well-founded logical arguments, it's obvious why: [ATTACH type="full" width="511px"]96244[/ATTACH] I don't know what Muslims believe - I assume they have similar polytheist ideas[ISPOILER] - but they're inbred retards anyway so who cares[/ISPOILER]. I hope the jokes don't detract from the idea. But genuinely it does seem like the average Western conception of Christ is wildly different from the Bible to the point where he's his own God-under-God alongside the Biblical Jesus and God. At very least, the hardcore fundie Christian is still a duotheist even if they lie to themselves. Someone will inevitably respond to me with "lol no I don't that's HERESY" - or better yet, share that insane jesus-is-actually-white conspiracy theory webpage. And to that, I say this: The "monotheist" differs in that they actively attempt to hypocritically convince themselves they are [I]not [/I]polytheist in fear of upsetting their God-before-Gods (because he's jealous, after all!), without the realization that worship of Gods is still worship of God. Some Christians recognize the polytheism, but most don't. I think this delusion is unhealthy. The (average, monotheist) Hindu seems psychologically healthier in their belief that there are still Gods-under-God that they personally don't worship. The growing Fundie movement in the West is removing the "don't ask don't tell" polytheism that Christianity existed under for centuries and is, in my opinion, the largest contributing factor leading to the secular liberal atheism of modernity. We can point to many concrete things that are driving people from faith, but faith exists somewhere outside the concrete. A growing attempt to create a God-Without-Gods religion alienates the human soul and leads to a worship of State - with its many Gods of Bureaucracy and Science - to relieve the desire for polytheism. Anyway I'm quite interested in reading the book you mentioned. My Egyptology is a weak spot I'd like to improve on. There's so much out there I have no idea what's good, or what would appeal to me. Are there some "easier" texts I could read to lead up to the one you referenced? [/QUOTE]
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