THREAD LOCKED Vaporwave is RACIST???

[EtymonLegomenon]

whoa i dont like the aggro tone one bit feller. tone it down. no one is mad here. i believe you have misunderstood me or i wasnt very clear thats fine, no need to be rude.

"tone it down" uh no, mom

 

[EtymonLegomenon]

Hey man u gotta tone it down, you make asshole responses on every post here, stop doing that. Just be cool, be civil, and stop calling people names. We're all on the same team.

Asshole responses like "tell me more, and give me music recs"? I didn't call anyone names. I said (some) mean things, but not names.

 

[EtymonLegomenon]

Not necessarily, my man, though the genre did originate in the (mostly white) middle class. From the very beginning there were Afro-Brazilian practitioners of the form and a lot of the greatest Black musicians of the 60s were bossa-adjacent:

Noted, thanks. Rec more.

 

[Deleted member 1930]

you didn't get it. you know you don't have to tell EVERYONE everything you think, right? of course >reddit's going to ban you for saying something like ***, I KNEW it was some bullshit like this, conveniently leaving out the particulars about what was said. I don't have any problem with saying ***, or whatever you said, but OBVIOUSLY >reddit DOES.

BIG round of applause though for having the daring to say you don't like HITLER, of all people.

what do you mean "of course"?

lol @ "i KNEW it was some bullshit...". there was no bullshit. I talked shit on nazis, I got banned, exactly how I said.

As I mentioned before, >reddit is in the wrong, so I don't give a shit what they think about nazi feelings. banning me for saying something negative about hitler is wrong

not sure what your "round of applause" is all about, I never said it was daring or anything like that. some was posted some nazi propaganda bullshit, and I said hitler was a faggot. this has happened more than once. so this leads me to believe that evidently, saying you don't like hitler in 2021 america IS somehow controversial and bannable

I afraid to let you know this I guess, but it appears YOU might be the one who didn't get it :/ take a break from the internet for a few days, you might need it it looks like

 

[Deleted member 1930]

Asshole responses like "tell me more, and give me music recs"? I didn't call anyone names. I said (some) mean things, but not names.

you sound insane

 

[EtymonLegomenon]

what do you mean "of course"?

lol @ "i KNEW it was some bullshit...". there was no bullshit. I talked shit on nazis, I got banned, exactly how I said.

I can't even imagine what someone would gain out of trying to get away with using slurs on reddit. like trying to make it through a crack den with free crack.

"you sound insane" bro, you're passing off calling Hitler some slur as "all I did was criticize Hitler." leaving out the whole obvious actual reason for the ban. failures of self-awareness, cognitive dissonance and lying are generally signs of lunacy. so please, keep up with the "you're insane" line, I'd love to see if it sticks.

 

[Deleted member 1930]

I can't even imagine what someone would gain out of trying to get away with using slurs on reddit. like trying to make it through a crack den with free crack.

"you sound insane" bro, you're passing off calling Hitler some slur as "all I did was criticize Hitler." leaving out the whole obvious actual reason for the ban. failures of self-awareness, cognitive dissonance and lying are generally signs of lunacy. so please, keep up with the "you're insane" line, I'd love to see if it sticks.

gain? slur? what are you talking about? it came up in the discussion, it's a description of that inbred socialist trash. Slurs are okay against nazis, they aren't people lol

calling hitler a slur IS "all I did was criticize hitler". I didn't leave out the obvious actual reason, that literally WAS the reason. it doesn't go deeper. there's no lack of self-awareness of cognitive dissonance. you using these phrases incorrectly in an attempt to save face is just straight up narcissism.

you're fucking weird dude.

 

[EtymonLegomenon]

gain? slur? what are you talking about? it came up in the discussion, it's a description of that inbred socialist trash. Slurs are okay against nazis, they aren't people lol

calling hitler a slur IS "all I did was criticize hitler". I didn't leave out the obvious actual reason, that literally WAS the reason. it doesn't go deeper. there's no lack of self-awareness of cognitive dissonance. you using these phrases incorrectly in an attempt to save face is just straight up narcissism.

you're fucking weird dude.

bahaha "narcissism"? jesus. my original theory was that your denying >reddit's reaction to slurs was just bad optics on your part; this has gotten to the level of delusion.

have a GREAT day pwning nazis, bro!

 

[Deleted member 1930]

bahaha "narcissism"? jesus. my original theory was that your denying >reddit's reaction to slurs was just bad optics on your part; this has gotten to the level of delusion.

have a GREAT day pwning nazis, bro!

your original "theory" was that there was more to the story of me being banned from reddit. there wasn't.

 

[admin]

If you guys want to keep arguing take this to your private messages

 

[vaporwavemaster1]

はい、一生日本に住んでいたオランダ移民の子孫として、私は民族的/言語的感情を混ぜ合わせました...しかし、私はこのジャンルを受け入れて楽しんでいる多くのネイティブ日本人を見てきました。

 

[Soloninja]

From >reddit:

"We need to talk about how vaporwave is blatantly racist. Here's how vaporwave is racist and perpetuates sytemic racism/white supremacy

1. The vaporwave scene is and has always been overwhelmingly white.
2. Vaporwave is usually easy to create, so white musicians can easily steal an obscure Black/Asian/etc. song from the 70s/80s/90s, add some effects, and make money.
3. The obvious cultural appropriation of Black music, which in the 70s/80s/90s white musicians and bands were more favored, and Black musicians often didn't get paid or treated the same as white musicians.
4. The obvious cultural appropriation of Japanese scripts, aesthetics, and music.
5. Vaporwave artists often making money off of samples, and the Black and Asian artists sometimes don't get paid.
6. Many vaporwave fans are alt-right as it is, and there are even offshoots like f*shwave, trumpwave, etc.
7. White artists like telepath creating albums like ECCON*GGA, and there seeming to be very little to no apparent backlash

In short, vaporwave is a white creation that steals from BIPOC musicians, who often don't even recieve the credit they deserve. It's blatant cultural appropriation at best, and a racist music genre at worst. Does anyone have any other ways vaporwave is racist?"

time to CANCEL vaporwave, guys

The very first thing you made as a list. How do you know the race of people who are into vapor wave. It formed from the internet. Over generalization make you sound not as bright

 

[SleazeThetic]

From >reddit:

"We need to talk about how vaporwave is blatantly racist. Here's how vaporwave is racist and perpetuates sytemic racism/white supremacy

1. The vaporwave scene is and has always been overwhelmingly white.
2. Vaporwave is usually easy to create, so white musicians can easily steal an obscure Black/Asian/etc. song from the 70s/80s/90s, add some effects, and make money.
3. The obvious cultural appropriation of Black music, which in the 70s/80s/90s white musicians and bands were more favored, and Black musicians often didn't get paid or treated the same as white musicians.
4. The obvious cultural appropriation of Japanese scripts, aesthetics, and music.
5. Vaporwave artists often making money off of samples, and the Black and Asian artists sometimes don't get paid.
6. Many vaporwave fans are alt-right as it is, and there are even offshoots like f*shwave, trumpwave, etc.
7. White artists like telepath creating albums like ECCON*GGA, and there seeming to be very little to no apparent backlash

In short, vaporwave is a white creation that steals from BIPOC musicians, who often don't even recieve the credit they deserve. It's blatant cultural appropriation at best, and a racist music genre at worst. Does anyone have any other ways vaporwave is racist?"

time to CANCEL vaporwave, guys

I find it hard to believe that there are people who actually think and believe stuff like this, Like that whole post is blatently gaslighting on topics that are sensitive

 

[Z-1227]

From >reddit:

"We need to talk about how vaporwave is blatantly racist. Here's how vaporwave is racist and perpetuates sytemic racism/white supremacy

1. The vaporwave scene is and has always been overwhelmingly white.
2. Vaporwave is usually easy to create, so white musicians can easily steal an obscure Black/Asian/etc. song from the 70s/80s/90s, add some effects, and make money.
3. The obvious cultural appropriation of Black music, which in the 70s/80s/90s white musicians and bands were more favored, and Black musicians often didn't get paid or treated the same as white musicians.
4. The obvious cultural appropriation of Japanese scripts, aesthetics, and music.
5. Vaporwave artists often making money off of samples, and the Black and Asian artists sometimes don't get paid.
6. Many vaporwave fans are alt-right as it is, and there are even offshoots like f*shwave, trumpwave, etc.
7. White artists like telepath creating albums like ECCON*GGA, and there seeming to be very little to no apparent backlash

In short, vaporwave is a white creation that steals from BIPOC musicians, who often don't even recieve the credit they deserve. It's blatant cultural appropriation at best, and a racist music genre at worst. Does anyone have any other ways vaporwave is racist?"

time to CANCEL vaporwave, guys

I wouldn't necessarily think vaporwave is racist as sampling is a great way for people to get to know music from different cultures.

 

[televape]

gain? slur? what are you talking about? it came up in the discussion, it's a description of that inbred socialist trash. Slurs are okay against nazis, they aren't people lol

calling hitler a slur IS "all I did was criticize hitler". I didn't leave out the obvious actual reason, that literally WAS the reason. it doesn't go deeper. there's no lack of self-awareness of cognitive dissonance. you using these phrases incorrectly in an attempt to save face is just straight up narcissism.

you're fucking weird dude.

the nazis were hardly socialist, they were closer to authoritarian capitalist. you're like the people who say "the NAZIS were left-wing!!!"

 

[Deleted member 1930]

the nazis were hardly socialist, they were closer to authoritarian capitalist. you're like the people who say "the NAZIS were left-wing!!!"

lololololololol

the nazis were left wing, hitler was completely opposed to capitalism, he viewed it as a creation and tool of the jews.

 

[televape]

lololololololol

the nazis were left wing, hitler was completely opposed to capitalism, he viewed it as a creation and tool of the jews.

antifa are the REAL fascists

 

[Deleted member 1930]

antifa are the REAL fascists

no, they're communists. that's the problem.

 

[funkydelic-sama]

the nazis were left wing, hitler was completely opposed to capitalism, he viewed it as a creation and tool of the jews.

This is absolutely, completely wrong and I strongly encourage you to educate yourself further on the subject. There is not a single historian of XXth century Europe, not Richard J Evans, not Hobsbawm, not Tony Judt, that will say that Nazism was somehow leftwing. The entire spectrum of Fascism, from Salazar to Mussolini, belongs firmly in the Right. To quote two of the greatest historians in the field:

Historian Richard Evans wrote of the Nazis' incorporation of socialist into their name in 1920, "Despite the change of name, however, it would be wrong to see Nazism as a form of, or an outgrowth from, socialism....Nazism was in some ways an extreme counter-ideology to socialism". Or as simply put by historian and Hitler expert Ian Kershaw, "Hitler was never a socialist."

Nazi Germany was a capitalist corporatist state in which the government was openly in cahoots with privately-owned and privately-run monopolies (IG Farben, Thyssen, etc.). Nothing remotely socialist or left-wing about it - the "national socialist" qualifier in the party name has to do with particular dynamics of interwar Germany which really aren't worth getting into in a forum where we are to kick back and exchange notes about some killer music.

Some interesting links that breach the subject in a popular, easy-to-understand way:

Britannica - Were the Nazis Socialists?
Washington Post - The Right needs to stop falsely claiming the Nazis were socialists
Vox - Adolf Hitler was not a socialist
Full Fact - The Nazis Were Not Socialists

 

[Deleted member 1930]

This is absolutely, completely wrong and I strongly encourage you to educate yourself further on the subject. There is not a single historian of XXth century Europe, not Richard J Evans, not Hobsbawm, not Tony Judt, that will say that Nazism was somehow leftwing. The entire spectrum of Fascism, from Salazar to Mussolini, belongs firmly in the Right. To quote two of the greatest historians in the field:



Nazi Germany was a capitalist corporatist state in which the government was openly in cahoots with privately-owned and privately-run monopolies (IG Farben, Thyssen, etc.). Nothing remotely socialist or left-wing about it - the "national socialist" qualifier in the party name has to do with particular dynamics of interwar Germany which really aren't worth getting into in a forum where we are to kick back and exchange notes about some killer music.

Some interesting links that breach the subject in a popular, easy-to-understand way:

Britannica - Were the Nazis Socialists?
Washington Post - The Right needs to stop falsely claiming the Nazis were socialists
Vox - Adolf Hitler was not a socialist
Full Fact - The Nazis Were Not Socialists

the nazis were socialists. all the historian opinions in the world don't change the historical actions of nazi germany.

you said it your sefl here "Nazi Germany was a capitalist corporatist state in which the government was openly in cahoots with privately-owned and privately-run monopolies"

that is what communism is.

there is no such thing as a capitalist corporatist state. these two things are opposite. government in cahoots with privately owned corporation and enabling monopolies is what socialism is. industry becoming controlled by the "Commune"

a capitalist society is when all participants in an economic environment are in equal standing and are beholden to their own actions, and is built on the concept of private, sovereign wealth and property rights.. something completely absent in nazi germany. fascism is right wing, but hitler wasn't a fascist. in fact, he was an anti-fascist who viewed everything about facsism as destructive and "jewish". hitler blamed capitalism on the jews and saw capitalism as "jewish economic imperialism" that was destroying europe. he opposed it completely

hitler's actions and history itself disprove your historians, I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by protecting and making excuses for nazis, tbh. I'm not one for "a self-proclaimed expert said it, so it must be true'. that's a logical fallacy, and it is in fact, how communists get so much support in the first place, hitler included

if hitler wasn't a socialist, why do so many socialist groups like antifa, or socialist politicians like bernie sanders spout the same anti-capitalist, anti-american, anti-liberty bullshit?