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The value of social media is/was that "everyone is on it." The fragmentation of Twitter into multiple services means that isn't true anymore. I don't want to have to juggle 10 different accounts to talk to my friends and follow cool people.

My prediction is that we're at the end of an era. Everything is going to just continue to be fragmented. That's probably good for privacy and security, but the experience is rapidly becoming not worth it.
That's the problem federated services like say, Mastodon are trying to address. But they still are competitors to other more popular, non-federated, collective hub-type services. In fact other platforms have the edge as they aren't fragmented within themselves. Mastodon (as a whole) is fragmented with chains linking everything together. You can still somewhat easily access content from other instances but it's still not as convenient as Twitter and the concept of a Fediverse is something most normies aren't going to wrap their heads around. You might still want to make accounts on multiple instances to see that content from within instead of from a distance where it's harder to engage with those people. And that's not really convenient as that isn't the way you're meant to use Mastodon.
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so is pinterest and tumblr
so no endangerment i see

i thought tumblr will take over, but it is too LGBT+ at times, romantic quirky and too "in the feels", -yet schizo and therefore, un-marketable, too (am i wrong?)
Walled Gardens can work but Twitter started off open to the public, and like youtube became a standard way of disseminating information. Losing users is bound to happen in a switch like that, but Elon also forcibly kicking power users off the platform with view limits will not go down well.
 
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We've all heard about this. Twitter shitting the bed, and all the while a bunch of alternatives are vying for power.
Mastodon, Bluesky, and now Threads, are three big names, but there's others out there.

I'm pretty much an outsider to twitter - I made an account and forgot about it. The only good parts of it (the reason why I joined) were the artists and the hackers/software people. So it's kind of annoying that this whole war of platforms is happening, since it makes everything pretty hard for me to seek out interesting content. I'm personally waiting for the dust to settle.
But I think the key point that this whole situation tells us is just how much greed fucks everything up. When making the most amount of cash becomes the target, the entire product suffers. Most people just want to sit down on their computer or on their phone and read interesting posts or see interesting art, but normies flood every site with memes and political discussion, and everything is optimized for Growth™

So, what is everyone's thought on this microblogging world?
Is blue sky really a thing? From what I understand they got a lot of coverage by making it invite-only and sending invites to a lot of tech journalists, but no person I've ever met has even mentioned it or known what it is, as opposed to Threads which a lot of people in the meatspace have talked with me about.
 
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Is blue sky really a thing? From what I understand they got a lot of coverage by making it invite-only and sending invites to a lot of tech journalists, but no person I've ever met has even mentioned it or known what it is, as opposed to Threads which a lot of people in the meatspace have talked with me about.
Remember when Clubhouse dropped? It was members-only and only for iPhones first; giant CEOs circlejerck...
*Members-only; I meant, invite-only
 
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I don't think Twitter is going anywhere soon. This is gonna be like how every MMO to come out for over a decade was the WoW-killer but nothing ever did; it just got old
I wouldn't be so sure. Social media is dependent on network effects to a far greater extent than MMOs are, and therefore are more susceptible to death by competition. The "MM" part of MMORPGs was a selling point like 20 years ago, but over time they have become ann increasingly solitary experience by design. These changes were made in order to retain paying customers who just wanted to play and didn't care about joining a guild; but that's a digression. The point is that Twitter without other people is literally nothing. There's no gamification or storyline to make it enjoyable as a solo endeavor, it's sitting alone in an empty convention center. MySpace may still technically be accessible, but it's absolutely dead, as is AIM and any number of other social media-like service from the prior era. Similarly, Facebook is obviously still incredibly active but everyone knows it's not even remotely similar to the user experience of 10+ years ago nor is it used by the same people.



The real galaxy brain take here is that Elon buying Twitter, taking it again to private ownership, and "accidentally" killing is a great way for a whole lot of the elite's DMs and tweets that did not age well to magically disappear. There's virtually no oversight on data retention now, think about how many conversations with and about Epstein (as just one example) could be permanently truncated.
 
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Good that that yooooutube guy (always forgets which user, RSD?) saves those most famous ones (tweets) and other *atrocities* being made <3
 
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The real galaxy brain take here is that Elon buying Twitter, taking it again to private ownership, and "accidentally" killing is a great way for a whole lot of the elite's DMs and tweets that did not age well to magically disappear. There's virtually no oversight on data retention now, think about how many conversations with and about Epstein (as just one example) could be permanently truncated.
I never thought about this. That's scary
 
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The real galaxy brain take here is that Elon buying Twitter, taking it again to private ownership, and "accidentally" killing is a great way for a whole lot of the elite's DMs and tweets that did not age well to magically disappear. There's virtually no oversight on data retention now, think about how many conversations with and about Epstein (as just one example) could be permanently truncated.
Why would anyone need to do this?

Personally, I think Musk just got manipulated into buying a company that, for all intents and purposes, has no consistent source of income.
 
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The real galaxy brain take here is that Elon buying Twitter, taking it again to private ownership, and "accidentally" killing is a great way for a whole lot of the elite's DMs and tweets that did not age well to magically disappear. There's virtually no oversight on data retention now, think about how many conversations with and about Epstein (as just one example) could be permanently truncated.

In some ways I wish it was that. In reality I think this is good ol' fashioned incompetence and ego. Too much brainrot from yes-men and wealth. Maybe coke too.

Is blue sky really a thing?

It was propped up as maybe our savior. Then Facebook with their infinite money came in and dropped a competitor. BlueSky completely blew the lead. Who knows if they will be able to compete now.
 

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I don't have a stake in this particular fight. I might have a Friendica account (which isn't quite the same as Mastodon but mostly compatible because it uses activitypub) but I suspect I'll eventually abandon it and that my last post will be a pinned post encouraging people to use my website's RSS feed instead and email me if they want to talk, because I won't really be on Fedi any longer.

I remember first seeing Twitter in 2008 and thinking that it was basically the men's room wall of the internet; the ideal tweet, IMO, is a shitpost:
here I sit, brokenhearted
I came to shit and only farted
Facebook always gave me the ick, even before I knew about Facesmash and Mark Cuckerberg deriding people who trusted him with their info as "dumb fucks". I had liked Google+ when it was new and mainly used by artists and techies, but that was only temporary between 2011 and 2013. Once they started privileging images and videos over text the platform degraded, and making every YouTube commenter a Ghost Town user accomplished two things:
  1. it pissed off the YouTubers
  2. it made conversations on Ghost Town shittier
And the Fediverse? It's basically another bunch of bathroom walls for the internet connected by something similar to Charles Stross' "hotelspace", but many of them are located in trans furry lesbian anarcho-capitalist bookstores where all the staff openly carry AKs illegally converted for full auto and everybody is invited to a Saturday night struggle session, and some of the others are located in gay neo-Nazi biker bars.

tl;dr: social media is a solution in search of a problem, and federated social media is an unnecessarily complicated solution chasing the same problem. The WWW, email, and XMPP are already federated and social. They're just not particularly amenable to monetization or accessible to people who don't speak UNIX.
 
do you remember when YT had chatrooms? there are present now only during livestreams XD
"YT Chats"
 
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People want to easily socialize on the internet with their IRL identities. Social media is the direct answer to that problem, no?
That's what those who profit from social media would like us to believe. It is certainly an answer, and one that has proven accessible to people who don't speak UNIX.

I'm not just convinced that it's a good answer, by which I mean one that doesn't cause a shitload of other problems.

1. Social media is only monetizable by selling ads and data. This makes enshittification inevitable.
2. Social media depends on the unpaid labor of its users.
3. Social media seems to make its unpaid workers miserable.
4. If a social media platform goes under, all the work you put into it disappears. You might be able to get an archive of your posts, and it might even be in a reasonable format like XML or JSON, but good luck importing that archive into your next platform.
 

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Twitter really did shit the bed about a week ago. I'm just going to talk from personal experience btw, I'm sure someone with a statistical understanding of Twitter's business model could have a different (and more informed) view of things, but here's my understanding of it:

I have to say, I quite enjoyed it when Musk started to irk the Blue Checks and the journos. The Community Notes, the Twitter Files... it was pretty fun to watch people that thought themselves objects of unimpeachable integrity get brought up on their ideological excesses (which are many). That was kind of a honeymoon period. Lots of prominent schizo accounts deemed too dangerous for 'old Twitter' returned - that was good too. Say what you want about people like BAP - and, believe me, I have innate distrust for 'online personalities' in general, including his - but these are the sorts of wackos that give character to the Internet and always have done. And of course I chuckled when NPR and the BBC became 'state-affiliated media'... what else are they?

Now, I always browsed Twitter as a bystander, and never made an account there. This is because to get any serious engagement (correct me if I'm wrong here), you have to continually post, and that seemed like something only a truly sad individual would do (and yet here I am on Agora Road!). I read somewhere that a small number of posters drive most of the engagement on the site - from experience, I'd say that's accurate. I eventually moved to using Nitter to browse, which proved an excellent way of maximising privacy whilst avoiding setting up an account there (one and the same thing, almost). All was well, and I wasted quite some time on that site imbibing the ramblings of the insane.

Fast forward a couple months. We always knew it would end this way. First of all, to stop people from 'training AI' on the site, Elon put a totally absurd cap on the number of Tweets even verified accounts could read. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. And then, in a moment of total arrogance, an account became necessary to view the site. Other changes around this time effectively killed off Nitter, and thus rendered Twitter's content off-limits to the unregistered. Excuse my French, but what the fuck was that all about?

I don't know, as I say, how many users are really only lurkers. I'd wager quite a few, for a simple reason. People go onto the Internet for things they cannot get in real life, inasmuch as 'real life' hasn't already become a part of the Internet. Sometimes, what they look for is company in a lonely world, maybe a puzzle to divert themselves, or some music to fill in the silence. A lot of the time, they're there for things too seething, too bizarre for normal life. They want to read up on 'true crime', or listen to the weirdest sonic oddities, or meet people with some autistically-obscure interest they share. They want to :COOMER: to some Godawful porno catering to some arcane and un-indulgable fetish (Not me tho! Furries, however...). They want to plunge into the depths of something unknowable.

For that, most people don't want to give over a name, an E-mail address, and a phone number. They want to keep that untouchable, unconscious self at a distance, and let it live online when it needs to be satisfied. The most successful social media sites always allowed some degree of anonymity, because it is only then that their users can really express themselves. Even if, as in the examples I've mentioned, what you're doing is perfectly legal and normal - many people have an interest in serial killers - the impulse to hide that interest away is only natural. In an era when the Feds can come pick you up :SoyPoint: - seemingly effortlessly - for a couple mean tweets, who's going to want to browse with all their info attached, trawling through humanity's worst on Twitter dot com, not knowing what they'll find, on a site whose present owner acknowledged was in bed with threelettercels? Who's gonna click on the Messytails media tab with an account tied to their mobile phone number, even if 'poop-oatmeal' imagery is far from a felony, over concerns for their privacy?

So, in short, Twitter shit itself permanently, for me at least, by walling itself off to frontends (even if Nitter now works), and then demanding registration to take part in it. Nobody wants to register to take part in the Internet. The draw of being online is the way it allows people to cultivate different sides of themselves, emboldened by anonymity, and this is the danger of it too (Armin Meiwes, for example). You cannot be 'the world's town square' whilst sitting behind a wall like that, no matter how big your userbase is.

The solution probably lies in FOSS technology, which was always better than proprietary stuff anyway (shoot me!), and the application of common sense too - if your 'platform' only needs you for ad revenue, and is run by a billionaire, you will, inevitably, be fucked in the end like the feudal serf you are, and you shouldn't become reliant on it, ever. Stuff like neocities.org is pretty fun, but better still is doing things yourself. Host your own web domain if you're really determined - I used Luke Smith's landchad.net to set up a couple sites easily (say what you want about him, but it's a great tutorial) - and that gives you a lot of freedom. Blockchain-based apps like Odysee are likewise very promising. The further away from the whims of tech bosses the Internet gets, the better for it. And as for Threads, I'm holding back to see how that'll turn out...
 
I never thought about this. That's scary
This is exactly what happened when Google bought Dejanews. Massive archive of decades of Usnet discussion got enshittened and erased overnight never to be recovered.
 
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People want to easily socialize on the internet with their IRL identities. Social media is the direct answer to that problem, no?
This is the correct take and people who say anything to the contrary were either too young or otherwise lacked access to OG Facebook. No data mining, no algorithms (literally), no old people, no clickbait bullshit "journalism," just the under-25 crowd posting pics of themselves drinking at parties, going on vacations, talking about vapid irl drama (remember "it's complicated" relationship status?), and best of all was the ease with which you could organize groups and events online without worrying about it at all. I know zoomers cannot bring themselves to believe that Facebook was once a good thing and instead choose to believe that it's all rose tinted nostalgia glasses for millennials, but it really was a completely different era of both social media and the internet in general.
 
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This is the correct take and people who say anything to the contrary were either too young or otherwise lacked access to OG Facebook. No data mining, no algorithms (literally), no old people, no clickbait bullshit "journalism," just the under-25 crowd posting pics of themselves drinking at parties, going on vacations, talking about vapid irl drama (remember "it's complicated" relationship status?), and best of all was the ease with which you could organize groups and events online without worrying about it at all. I know zoomers cannot bring themselves to believe that Facebook was once a good thing and instead choose to believe that it's all rose tinted nostalgia glasses for millennials, but it really was a completely different era of both social media and the internet in general.
My dad was using Facebook in 2006 and it wasn't because he was a hip and cool under-25. Although, maybe he wishes he was.
 
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No data mining, no algorithms (literally), no old people, no clickbait bullshit "journalism," just the under-25 crowd posting pics of themselves drinking at parties, going on vacations, talking about vapid irl drama (remember "it's complicated" relationship status?), and best of all was the ease with which you could organize groups and events online without worrying about it at all. I

Goddammit I didn't realize how much we had lost until you spelled it out like this. Don't make me miss Facebook.
 

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It is certainly an answer, and one that has proven accessible to people who don't speak UNIX.
Social media, or a form of it, is the
answer to the problem. The issue with social media isn't that there is a better answer, but rather the expectation of profit. Social media isn't necessarily negative, but the need to make money from it is. All the problems you listed are caused by for profit actions. A social media designed around "goodness" instead of money would be good and would the the solution to the problem.
 

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