Has Capitalism Outpaced Government?

[TamagoSuki]

The most recent pop-science discovery has been that Google has announced that their AI has created a "time crystal", a kind of crystal that breaks time-symmetry instead of space-symmetry. (Note this is still under scrutiny and shouldn't be counted as fact just yet)

Is this common? Are corporations usually the ones making these kinds of discoveries? Even if past discoveries have been FROM corporations, it feels like they have been aided by the government and will usually credit the government as its main funding entity. It feels weird to me that Google is taking sole credit for this instead of mentioning the government. Is the government just not able to keep up with corporate spending at this point?

How would you guys feel if this was the case? At the very least, Google has announced that it made a discovery. At this point, I worry that governments are so paranoid of other governments that they wouldn't even announce a new finding. However, it feels incredibly risky to tie research to a business's stock.

Any thoughts? I hope this hasn't come across too ramble-y, just a thought I had earlier today. It's interesting that a corporation could discover a """new form of matter""".

 

[0573]

their AI has created a "time crystal", a kind of crystal that breaks time-symmetry instead of space-symmetry. (Note this is still under scrutiny and shouldn't be counted as fact just yet)

Isnt that just the archetype cube from the new Godzilla anime?

 

[IlluminatiPirate]

The government and corporations has always been hand in hand in making advancements to new technologies through black budget projects. I would say private entities have always been ahead of government skunk works projects and most contractors are more experienced and former military. This doesn't surprise me. They probably are in their R&D department and might have government subsides for this kind of stuff, But what does scares me is the advancement of AI is going to make a pandora's box.

 

[Deleted member 2040]

Will probably be used for a new form of advertising, or something to fatten their already beefy treasury, that's my guess.

 

[TamagoSuki]

The government and corporations has always been hand in hand in making advancements to new technologies through black budget projects. I would say private entities have always been ahead of government skunk works projects and most contractors are more experienced and former military. This doesn't surprise me. They probably are in their R&D department and might have government subsides for this kind of stuff, But what does scares me is the advancement of AI is going to make a pandora's box.

How many corporations have you heard of that have messed with nuclear energy to run their business? None, because the government discovered it first and didn't let others use it because it was dangerous. Doesn't feel like the case anymore, these time crystals could literally create a computer with the processing power to crack password security and more. If proven correct, this is literally a case of an AI discovering something that would make itself more powerful.

I don't exactly trust governments, but I hope it has some sort of "foot-in-the-door" here. Seeing the "Nation of Google" created because of its deadly quantum weapons and AI researchers would be.... interesting. This is a rare case where I hope there's some sort of oversight.

 

[IlluminatiPirate]

How many corporations have you heard of that have messed with nuclear energy to run their business? None, because the government discovered it first and didn't let others use it because it was dangerous. Doesn't feel like the case anymore, these time crystals could literally create a computer with the processing power to crack password security and more. If proven correct, this is literally a case of an AI discovering something that would make itself more powerful.

I don't exactly trust governments, but I hope it has some sort of "foot-in-the-door" here. Seeing the "Nation of Google" created because of its deadly quantum weapons and AI researchers would be.... interesting. This is a rare case where I hope there's some sort of oversight.

Well I dont know enough about nukes all I know is that they made the atom bomb during the Manhatten project, but I do know is that in the defense industry, there's alot of high level weapons and technology that is kept hidden from the public. Companies like Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin has been the forefront of innovations in defense with government contracts.

On the case with Google, I'm sure the NSA has their hands on these time crystals. But I dont know forsure

 

[0573]

I don't exactly trust governments, but I hope it has some sort of "foot-in-the-door" here. Seeing the "Nation of Google" created because of its deadly quantum weapons and AI researchers would be.... interesting. This is a rare case where I hope there's some sort of oversight.

But coudnt this also be a potential positive outcome? It could start a wave of privately owned corporation's that could form their own viable factions disparate or even opposed to federal institutions? If the state has monopolized violence then an increasingly privatized and militarized organization could deter dystopia's from rising. i.e it may give more opportunities to the people by allowing them closer access to influential stopping power.

 

[TamagoSuki]

Well I dont know enough about nukes all I know is that they made the atom bomb during the Manhatten project, but I do know is that in the defense industry, there's alot of high level weapons and technology that is kept hidden from the public. Companies like Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed Martin has been the forefront of innovations in defense with government contracts.

On the case with Google, I'm sure the NSA has their hands on these time crystals. But I dont know forsure

The atom bomb was a government project, but Ratheon/Boeing/LM are definitely companies that are pretty "beholden" to government contracts. I'm mostly speaking out of my ass here, but it just kind of feels different for Google since it's not traditionally a "military" company.

You're probably right, I guess NSA probably has some sort of insight into this just because of the nature of the work of R/B/LM, I'd expect them to be ready to "chat" with Google as well.

But coudnt this also be a potential positive outcome? It could start a wave of privately owned corporation's that could form their own viable factions disparate or even opposed to federal institutions? If the state has monopolized violence then an increasingly privatized and militarized organization could deter dystopia's from rising. i.e it may give more opportunities to the people by allowing them closer access to influential stopping power.

I'd definitely love some sort of positive rights/progress-driven corporation/union/nation. But I just don't see that possible in the near future, especially as we haven't left the planet yet. And, as you mentioned, governments hold a monopoly on violence, which would make it tough for a corporation to rebel within the space of this planet, even if they had crazy weapons. I mean, what would they do if they were attacked? Quantum-fucky-wucky their hometown+wife+kids+neighbors+parents+dog?

 

[0573]

And, as you mentioned, governments hold a monopoly on violence, which would make it tough for a corporation to rebel within the space of this planet, even if they had crazy weapons. I mean, what would they do if they were attacked? Quantum-fucky-wucky their hometown+wife+kids+neighbors+parents+dog?

Nah, I dont mean that a theoretical BepisCorp would directly skirmish with an America going 1984 or 1488 but rather that they could through horizontal integration monopolize the resources a state depends on to create the guns that bully the opposed into submission. If their were enough of these corporations then it would limit a Dystopian state's territory and reach. You cant feed 20 guys off one pizza no matter how hungry they are.

 

[TamagoSuki]

Nah, I dont mean that a theoretical BepisCorp would directly skirmish with an America going 1984 or 1488 but rather that they could through horizontal integration monopolize the resources a state depends on to create the guns that bully the opposed into submission. If their were enough of these corporations then it would limit a Dystopian state's territory and reach. You cant feed 20 guys off one pizza no matter how hungry they are.

It seems like the "buddy system" of governments is just too strong for this now. Not to mention the current economic system of capitalism encourages competition between corporations instead of cooperation. Seriously, I love your idea, but I don't think it's realistic for another 100 or so years until we start pushing the "wild west" of space. The earth is simply too small and observable to be a bed for this activity right now, I feel.

 

[0573]

It seems like the "buddy system" of governments is just too strong for this now. Not to mention the current economic system of capitalism encourages competition between corporations instead of cooperation. Seriously, I love your idea, but I don't think it's realistic for another 100 or so years until we start pushing the "wild west" of space. The earth is simply too small and observable to be a bed for this activity right now, I feel.

If we cannot move mountains then the only thing we can do is roll our own stone. I have little faith in capitalism aswell, but I have none for "democracy" and the states that endorse it. The idea that the world is too small and that its room is too occupied by solidified entities requires one too overlook the cracks in the wall. The systems that govern the world we live and pervert our lifestyles to the point of self destruction hold dominance over every aspect and processes at large within their boarders. However they can only keep this power by maintaining two conditions. Firstly that those within observe its practices and secondly that they dont form communities and cultures within it that would be cancerous. The U.S maintains homeostasis through taxation and regulation; it gives jurisdiction to the governance of separate political entities that loosely cooperate, these agency's are given funding by the whole system and they give grants to the sub-organizations that pave roads, build hospitals, mint coins, bomb countries they dont like, and so on. Individuals agency's then form alliances with unrelated corporations based upon mutual interest and viability. The U.S Airforce a branch of the Military High Command pays ungodly sums to Lockheed Martin and Boeing to engineer new aircraft. But if a competitor shows up and either sever's ties between the two or simply exists it will throw the system out of equilibrium and give a chance to weaken it. (if more people show up the pizza rations will continue to grow smaller exponentially) This method can be exploited on the macro level while on the micro if unaligned communities refuse to observe the systems rules then they are free of its grip. These things will snowball until the current players collapse; As seen in 1776, 1799, 1819, 1918, 1933, and almost 1969. All of this will be possible if privatized corporations are given military sway. Google figuring out how to manufacture AI/time travel/revolutionary medical technology/new energy sources is exactly that as they now have more influence on individual's that make up the system and if given the opportunity will act in best interest rather then submitting to current authority's.

 

[Deleted member 1930]

capitalism has been extinct for decades, it was killed by leftists/satanists because it is the most moral and free system, and if there's anything the devil hates, it's man being free and unable to control

 

[vale-aroma]

Capital needs a place to go, and the extreme upper levels of wealth are having a harder and harder time finding places to put that money that aren't just sitting on a big pile of cash doomed to rot away via inflation. This is a problem especially afflicting tech companies (if you look up modern numbers, this situation has barely changed since this article). Ultra-high net worth individuals & large corporations need things to invest in. While the government's prerogative with liquid capital is to spend as little as possible - in constant conflict with sub-organization motivated to coerce their master organization into throwing around as much as possible - the motivations of someone who genuinely does have a huge pile of cash are the opposite. The last thing you want is a huge vault of the worst asset to store wealth in (Escobar's cash eaten by bugs & rot is an apt metaphor), which prompts what we see today. With so little to store such vast sums of money in, these individuals & entities are incentivized to throw as much cash as they can at R&D, long-shot technologies, niche one-in-a-million shot companies trying to make the next fantastical invention.

 

[Seswynn]

capitalism has been extinct for decades, it was killed by leftists/satanists because it is the most moral and free system, and if there's anything the devil hates, it's man being free and unable to control

bro you'll literally stub your toe and find some way to blame it on leftism

I'm not sure the system that led to the gilded age, climate change, and the banana republics of South America qualifies as being the most moral and free system possible

 

[Deleted member 1930]

bro you'll literally stub your toe and find some way to blame it on leftism

I'm not sure the system that led to the gilded age, climate change, and the banana republics of South America qualifies as being the most moral and free system possible

if leftism is the cause of something, why would you NOT accurately use it as the cause of something? i mean, you guys do this all the time.

I'm not sure that the system that led to the Holocaust and the Great Leap Forward are the right one

the gilded age was brought about by leftist economic and civic policy after the left went full rage quit after their civil war loss, climate change is a corporate hoax and capitalism did not cause "banana republics", they were caused by the spread of socialist ideas to region in the cold war era

we're in another gilded age right now...what policies led us here? certainly wasn't moderate left like trump, was it

"...an era of abject poverty and inequality, as millions of immigrants—many from impoverished regions—poured into the United States, and the high concentration of wealth became more visible and contentious."

shit thats oddly familiar as the left is importing immigrants and hitting record unemployment numbers as corporate figureheads are throwing lavish parties and reporting record profits off of "vaccines"

they're laughing at you dude, grow some balls ffs.

 

[Seswynn]

if leftism is the cause of something, why would you NOT accurately use it as the cause of something? i mean, you guys do this all the time.

I'm not sure that the system that led to the Holocaust and the Great Leap Forward are the right one

the gilded age was brought about by leftist economic and civic policy after the left went full rage quit after their civil war loss, climate change is a corporate hoax and capitalism did not cause "banana republics", they were caused by the spread of socialist ideas to region in the cold war era

we're in another gilded age right now...what policies led us here? certainly wasn't moderate left like trump, was it

"...an era of abject poverty and inequality, as millions of immigrants—many from impoverished regions—poured into the United States, and the high concentration of wealth became more visible and contentious."

shit thats oddly familiar as the left is importing immigrants and hitting record unemployment numbers as corporate figureheads are throwing lavish parties and reporting record profits off of "vaccines"

they're laughing at you dude, grow some balls ffs.

Oh my god dude, it's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. Let's start with the claim that the Holocaust was done by "leftists". Some like to latch on to the term "national socialist" as evidence that they were, indeed, socialists. This was, in fact, bait for lower-class workers that may have had an interest in socialism but had little idea what it actually was beyond a vague sense that they would benefit from it. In fact, the party was originally called the German Worker's party, and only changed its name to the National Socialist German Worker's Party in 1920, with the addition of the word "socialist" being objected to by Hitler himself. Regardless, it was virtually all rhetoric. The nazi paramilitary squad, the Sturmabteilung, regularly fought with social democrats and communists on the streets. During the Night of Long Knives, any members of the party that could even be described as being somewhat socialist, such as the Strasserites, were either killed or imprisoned. And I'm sure we've heard that one poem. "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out, because I was not a socialist." Admittedly, Hitler was no fan of capitalism either, but he denounced both capitalism and communism as being jewish conspiracies.


Also, claiming that the confederate states were leftist? I gotta say, that's a new one. And Trump? My god, man. Tell me, how would you define leftism? Seriously, just give me a definition. Because from what I see, it boils down to "anything that I don't like".

Well, I certainly won't deny that we're living in another gilded age. But I'm not sure that I'd describe the forces leading to our present state of things, such as the weakening of unions, outsourcing of labor to countries with far less protection for workers, wages being less and less able to support people's lives, etc. as being exactly left-wing in any respect.

 

[Deleted member 1930]

Oh my god dude, it's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. Let's start with the claim that the Holocaust was done by "leftists". Some like to latch on to the term "national socialist" as evidence that they were, indeed, socialists.

they were. they chose the name because of their policies and overall resistance to right wing ideals like class system, capitalism, etc. hitler's ideological idols were the aryans (muslims), he thus followed their ideals that such right wing ideals were the corrupting influence of judaism, and were what was impeding islamic supremacy in the western world. he was somewhat right in the sense that right wing ideals like civil liberties, personal sovereignty, blind justice, etc WERE (somewhat, for the west) rooted in judeo-christian beliefs.

if the nazis were not socialists, why do modern socialists repeat the economic and social rhetoric of the Nazis? capitalism is evil, class systems are evil, jews are evil, accountability is evil, civil liberties are evil, westernism is evil, america is evil, etc. if modern socialists are different than the nazis, why do they do and say the same shit?

During the Night of Long Knives, any members of the party that could even be described as being somewhat socialist, such as the Strasserites, were either killed or imprisoned

but not because of their political beliefs, but rather because they were stupid and militant. hitler killed the people in the night of long knives because they were stupid and could easily be swayed by western propaganda and betray the reich's motives. it's pretty obvious he didn't have any problems with socialists, given his entire inner circle (goebells and all those nut cases) were socialists and he allied with socialists like Stalin and Mussolini. also not to mention the socialist economic policy he instituted.

Hitler was no fan of capitalism either, but he denounced both capitalism and communism as being jewish conspiracies.

he didn't oppose communism as an ideal, he opposed stalin's implementation of the ideas. he viewed jewish corruption of leftism, like the soviet regime as the problem, not the ideology itself

Also, claiming that the confederate states were leftist?

they were. a classic "america is teh evUl TiErANNY", pro-racialist society. no different than antifa, neo-soviets, or nazi in germany. same shit. "I suck at life so the right wing is oppressing me"

And Trump?

what about him?

Seriously, just give me a definition

opposition and resistance to the right wing.

But I'm not sure that I'd describe the forces leading to our present state of things, such as the weakening of unions, outsourcing of labor to countries with far less protection for workers, wages being less and less able to support people's lives, etc. as being exactly left-wing in any respect.

I'm sure you wouldn't, because you're not a very bright person. but indeed, it is pretty textbook for a leftist regime.

 

[0573]

they were. they chose the name because of their policies and overall resistance to right wing ideals like class system, capitalism, etc. hitler's ideological idols were the aryans (muslims), he thus followed their ideals that such right wing ideals were the corrupting influence of judaism, and were what was impeding islamic supremacy in the western world. he was somewhat right in the sense that right wing ideals like civil liberties, personal sovereignty, blind justice, etc WERE (somewhat, for the west) rooted in judeo-christian beliefs.

lol wat?

 

[Deleted member 2040]

lol wat?

left = EVIL DEMONCRATS

right = good

u disagree = me winning and u doing

bcuz I am right and u r left

 

[Deleted member 1930]

lol wat?

Ikr

like most leftists, he was a ducking retarded conspiracy nut lol