So your argument is that grown adults who weren't able to get better jobs should be paid less so that some teenagers who'll fuck up the job and get fired can have their first job?
So your argument is "X", I've said my argument and you're blending all the nuance out of it. That's not my argument, read it again. Teenagers being able to do jobs doesn't immediately equal jobs being paid by those grown adults. It's normally(and with good reason) assumed teenagers will take part-time work or full-time in summer breaks, so they can act like seasonal works who can be "polyfill" to changing demands according to seasons(Yes, demand for work changes according to seasons, hence seasonal workers...).
This interpretation is equivalent to the notion that outsourcing work is bad, or that immigrants shouldn't have jobs in the same way that teenagers shouldn't by their status. For immigrants there's fair national security reason occasionally, but the way you describe it, you're saying there's a cause and effect that a larger workforce results in lower wages across the board. Can you support this idea for the specific case of teenagers? I certainly can't.
There is a poverty problem in the country
Which country? USA? UK? Thailand? If you think there's a poverty problem in the USA or the UK and you've not seen 3rd world countries and you're whining too much... I'm not denying that being broke in 1st world countries sucks, but it's either a hole you dig yourself deeper into, or a hole you can get out of. There's opportunities there. The biggest difficulty in this poverty problem(that is acknowledged and there are PO boxes and address forwarders for those folks) is holding an address. Loads of paperwork for licenses, job seeking, bank accounts etc require an address.
What you probably see as a poverty problem is in reality a cost of living problem to sustain an equivalent quality of life to everyone around you- herd effects and advertiser effects. Most people burn their money. Count how many people know anything about saving money, minimising taxes, investing, pension funds etc. Even lots of very intelligent people do not care about this- yet whine when the keys are dangling right there.
but we as a society have agreed that families are unimportant and minimum wage is now for teenagers with "starter jobs" as if a teenager who needs to work has "starter bills" (unless you count 20k+ in student debt "starter bills").
I'm guessing you're in the UK. Student debt in the UK is a joke that gets written off after 4 decades and is just another tax(unless you make so much it's not, but that's significantly abnormal. People below £21k annun iirc don't have to pay on it). America? Different story. I'm not American and don't know loads about this, but there's entire education system, healthcare system, bank and insurance lobbying as the government want to have too many levers to control. The government policies around this create "effective" monopolies(i.e. patents on lifesaving medicine) for several decades. This is an institutional issue with the US Government at both the federal and state levels, and is frankly... outside the scope of the thread and an uninteresting US-centric discussion point.
I agree on the points of families being viewed as unimportant. We're sleepwalking into a population crisis on all fronts. East Asia with China policies and Japan's declining rates. North America with their pile drivers dog piling on the gender split and agitating both sides into hyperstitions that both hate each other, and the same effect in West Europe. As I see it, Family remains important in Southeast Asia, Latin America, East Europe. I dunno much about Africa(but they have a lot more issues about corruption and 6 months of power outages if you looked at South Africa recently...)
Minimum wage can't drop unless UBI or something that infuses a similar amount into at least like 70% of the country is instituted.
Your implication is that 70% of the population, their output is as valuable as the unemployed(on UBI), or just a bit more valuable(you can distinguish UBI and Minimum wage income). Also implies that just existing is worth more(even though if we're being honest, some people probably provide negative value to everyone's life...) and that the actual work done for the minimum wage is worth less.
I have a limit to how much the government fucks me in the ass, and it really truly is when they start fucking with my money, and there are millions of normies who are the exact same way because money is what pays for their favorite sedatives.
40% inheritance tax in the UK. 40% of what you make, will never be given to your kids. Similar things happen in the US(but not under the name of inheritance tax... healthcare, education for your kids... other money sinks). As a result, no real generational wealth is passed down. I can't find a % on the stamp act for 1760s America when they declared independence, but it was almost certainly far less than this FLAT OUT USURY.
and there are millions of normies who are the exact same way because money is what pays for their favorite sedatives.
My guess is something bad will happen in West Europe and North America in 2 decades, It's like a Weimar republic we're sleepwalking through and joyously accept sedated and dizzy. The generation above us are realising what they've done for women in their mid 30s without husbands and the consequent lack of families and atomisation of them, and our generation and the generation below are following suit to make a tailor blush, under the propaganda and zealous idealism of our mentoring elders above us(and equivalent institutions from them because most of the folks in these institutions are aged 30-60). We're close following Japan's population issues, and we have a far less homogenised population causing race riots and gender/queer/sex conflicts. It's slight tremors that feel like they're so deeply set and ignited that you can't fix them... only avoid the fallout on yourself.
Ah, where were we? Minimum wage? Honestly, I agree with you. Removing minimum wage will cause a lot of shifts and will hurt a lot of people, but the end-products will be higher quality, and these end-products trickle down into housing prices, electrical bills, water bills... but on the amount of time these need to trickle down, probably after many years(and a lot of those markets have extra policy strings like licenses and strict building codes and regulations for homes which means a cheaper and quality workforce isn't necessarily a cheaper product).
Minimum wage is supposed to scale with inflation and it hasn't for quite a while. And yet no one can do the simple math to link it to the shrinking middle class and widening wealth gap. Removing it wouldn't reinvigorate America's economy, it would turn it into neo-feudalism. But I guess that would be on track for the stated of goal of "You will own nothing, and you will be happy".
Removing it without removing a lot of the other crap would turn it into neo-feudalism, and it's one of those keystone policies that form the arch of Leftism. Trying to remove it or play Jenga with it, in such a chaotic system is... well... anybody's guess. As for the last point... do *you* currently truly own anything within your current policies in America?
As always, I remind you, large scale economics are large scale chaotic systems that all feed into each other and the butterfly effect spins the whole thing around. I would recommend on points of economics, to set your own affairs in order and learn how it affects you personally, how to reduce the damage to you and your family and your steps forward within the chaotic system.