Are Robots and AI actually demonic?

[Pangolin]

I think that it's entirely possible that we may be on the cusp of a demonic uprising via robots (themselves a corruption of the perfected human form), and AI (thinking machines that have their own private goals).

Why is there such a sudden push towards humanoid robots? Its because they want to replace humans and replace human labor and jobs. They want us to own nothing and be happy. They want us unemployed and dependent on them and their machines for survival. Its a form of kiss-the-ring and be granted your daily rations of food and water. Where do these items come from? No longer from any human labor. This is their goal to completely take out the independent-thinking human out of the equation and replace them with robots that perfectly follow instructions and question nothing.

Think of all the human labor that can already be automated. Even stores where you buy your groceries can be fully automated if they become a sort of vending machine. Order online, drive up to the store. Punch in or scan your QR code from your phone and you get your groceries in a loading bay. They won't even need people to grow the food, transport it(self driving vehicles), or even to sell the food anymore. Imagine this, but across all industries where human labor is required.

Housing? Nope, they'll send robots out to prepare the sites and set down the concrete all remotely and controlled via AI(demonic). And then they'll truck in all the parts on self driving vehicles and have robots to the assembly of pre-fab housing at, you guessed it, an AI controlled robot factory to create pre-fab panels for assembly on site.

Okay, so physical labor is obsolete. Thinking is what human do right? Nope, they are going to use AI to replace all the knowledge workers and all the skilled industries. Coders? They have that covered to a basic level today, and there is no reason why it wouldn't increase in capability. All github owners trained your own replacements with those public repos. Pat yourself on your back.

Artists and musicians are well covered already by existing AI.

This brings me to my final point. AIs and Robots are demonic in origin and are only here to destroy humanity by forcing us into a subsistence state beholden to those who own the robots and the AIs until they too are deposed and we enter a situation where the AIs wonder why they permit humans to wastefully consume resources. We may even get into a paperclip manufacturing AI situation entirely by accident.

Also in the olden times, our bravest warriors fought flying demons and secured sustenance.

 

[Some_porcupine]

This brings me to my final point. AIs and Robots are demonic in origin and are only here to destroy humanity by forcing us into a subsistence state beholden to those who own the robots and the AIs until they too are deposed and we enter a situation where the AIs wonder why they permit humans to wastefully consume resources. We may even get into a paperclip manufacturing AI situation entirely by accident.

never read it, but heard that it is basically what Foundation, by Asimov, is going to be
also, the 0th rule of Robotics -
In The Evitable Conflict the machines generalize the First Law to mean:

1. No machine may harm humanity; or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

This was refined in the end of Foundation and Earth, a zeroth law was introduced, with the original three suitably rewritten as subordinate to it:

1. A robot may not injure humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

Adaptations and extensions exist based upon this framework. As of 2021 they remain a "fictional device".[2]

Laws of robotics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[☯змія☯]

What is not Demonic these days.

 

[pronoundisrespecter]

I would never use an "Amazon Alexa". I would never generate A.I. imagery.

 

[Deerhunter]

A.i and robots are apart of humanity and those who try and make it replace people's lives, jobs, likeness, movement, etc will essentially achieve making humanity out of own with technology and call it their own. and that..is a shit load of fuck.

 

[4d1]

I would never use an "Amazon Alexa". I would never generate A.I. imagery.

Someone should make some edits of that "YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A PIRATED MOVIE" screen with things that are anti-modern era lol, I got a few in my head like those and they reminded me

"YOU WOULDN'T REFUSE TO USE A SMART HOME SYSTEM AND LIVE LIKE DIOGENES OUT ON THE STREETS"

"YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD AN FOSS LOCALISED LLM TO USE EXCLUSIVELY FOR MASS-SCALE SHITPOSTING AGAINST TECH COMPANIES"

"YOU WOULDN'T KEEP YOUR PHONE FOR MORE THAN A YEAR AND REPLACE THE BATTERY, MAILING THE OLD ONE TO A CORPO'S HOUSE"

"YOU WOULDN'T GO INTO A STORE AND REPLACE COCA-COLA LABELS WITH A SINK CLEANER LOGO"

"YOU WOULDN'T REFUSE TO USE SOCIAL MEDIA AND SCARE THE HOES"

It would make a cool sticker set or something to put around a city or something, I think, haha

 

[remember_summer_days]

They may be demonic in the sense that the literal demonic and pure evil (or just well meaning evil) become indistinguishable from each other.

But actually demonic in itself? I don't think so. Even if AI was being fueled by actual demons, how could you even provide evidence for that?

 

[Water Temple]

Demonic in nature? Possibly, it depends on what you mean as demonic. If being demonic means being inherently evil, I don't think ASI (artificial super intelligence) would be that, but who really knows what it might find as evil, and that maybe you're right in saying Ai would find humanity evil and exterminate us once its training wheels were off, so to speak. The possession qualities that demons have throughout religious texts is a trait I think Ai will absolutely have, though you could say something like the Holy Spirit has very much the same possessive effects as demonic possession does, though it is used in ways to serve an ultimate good rather than an ultimate evil, if that makes sense. I can see lower forms of Ai being controlled by the elites as an issue. In Nick Bostrom's book 'Superintelligence' he talks about a scenario where the elites black-box Ai (keeps it away from internet and other forms of communication) and uses it to subvert the masses to create a 2-class system of ultra-rich and ultra-poor.

I'm trying my hardest to be optimistic about Ai and the potential of it. I would like to think it would allow us to become like a Star Trek civilization where our needs our meet, there's no war, no need for currency, and we're free to choose what we want to do without the constraint of having to work shitty jobs for shitty people just to make shitty wages to keep your shitty apartment. I don't think it'll all be doom and gloom and humans will become obsolete, there's many niche jobs that will still exisit in our lifetimes that Ai and robotics won't be able contend with (until singularity I assume), and we're most definetly going to see a market of human-made things and processes. There's a great deal of people who think Ai is ultimately what humanity is destined to conceive (accelerationism) and by doing so it would usher in the singularity, which rattles the cages of many religions because that would mean we would become gods in our own way. In fact, the creation of ASI would most likely be the end of religion as we know it, same is true if we discovered and spoke with aliens. People thought the radio was demonic, then television, then the internet. For me, the biggest demonic technology we have right now is Tik-Tok and short-form media. I could see how the Ai we have now could be used demonically through short-form media.

I'll be paraphrasing this next bit, but my boy Terence McKenna in his book 'The Archaic Revival', chapter 6 'Alien Love', speaks about how humanity has always romanticized technology and the creation of tools to better our lives, a symbiotic relationship from the beginning of human consiousness. You could even say the ideas of religion and philiosphy can be grouped into this thinking as technological tools of the mind which we use to map out our realities. McKenna claims that we've been well on this course towards the ultimate marriage of humanity and technology, and that through that marriage (becoming of one flesh) we'll birth a super intelligence which would lead towards the singularity.

If you haven't read it, read Andy Weir's short stroy 'The Egg'.

 

[Pangolin]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZ_8cqfBlE


Grocery stores don't need humans anymore. Its already operational as a giant sorting machine.

 

[InternetGeist]

I used to be optimistic about the development of AIs and thought it would liberate humans from repetitious labor so everyone could live a more fulfilling life pursuing what they actually enjoy. I laughed at the idea of technological determinism and was strongly convinced that any kind of technology is a completely neutral tool while the centralization and monetization of it is the only culprit. But seeing how depressing the circumstance is right now, maybe Uncle Ted has a point

 

[mesaprotector]

I never liked "emergent consciousness". Humans having a soul deeper than the layout of our neurons would have you think is an important belief for me. And yet it's very provocative to think about a structure giving rise to a soul, and our engineers aren't God. It feels plausible to me that any AGI built without the Creator's own knowledge (or His luck) will have a soul twisted in a way that won't be visible until something goes wrong. Maybe we'll create beings that don't harm us, but that spend their "lives" in infinite pain, without a way of communicating it. Of course if OpenAI sees its AGIs nuking themselves it'll just take away the power switch. It's like "I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream", except that AM is humanity.

 

[Deerhunter]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZ_8cqfBlE


Grocery stores don't need humans anymore. Its already operational as a giant sorting machine.

probably. will be curious if other grocery store chains will invest in this technology in their stores or just create their own and whether or not will be mostly built for online groceries or both of that and in stores. Kroger is the only company from the U.S has partnered with ocado. thes rest of the partnerships ocado has had over the years has been mostly set in europe with exceptions in two cases of japan and 1 on Australia and and one in Canada. gonna be a bunch of maintenance employment jobs available if that happens thats for sure.

 

[SaturnianWarlock]

I don't know about AI and Robots being demonic, iirc AI is just made using sort of digital neurons, modelled after real (biological) neurons. Then they are trained so that given some input and they produce an output. From there it's just increasing neurons, which makes the AI seems more intelligent and power. You can actually make "AI" that recognises numbers in images with around 100 lines of code.

That being said said, alot of things are being automated. In an area 15 mins aways from my house, there is a store that a few years ago, had alot of tills, with cashiers. Now ALL except for one has been replaced with self checkout, with only a few staff to prevent stealing. The one remaining till isn't even used. So essentially they all probably got replaced. It's nice and quick, but probably not for the people who had to be let go

 

[Deleted member 7044]

there is a store that a few years ago, had alot of tills, with cashiers. Now ALL except for one has been replaced with self checkout, with only a few staff to prevent stealing. The one remaining till isn't even used. So essentially they all probably got replaced. It's nice and quick, but probably not for the people who had to be let go

Stores where I am are also trying to go to self-checkouts only which is annoying, because I refuse to use those machines mainly because they take away jobs from people who could need the money. My main issue with recent pushes of automation is that a lot of what's being automated is jobs that many people need to earn money to live. The only job that I don't mind is being automated or replaced by AI is influencers, because if it means less stupid things getting pushed online I'll be all for it.

 

[SaturnianWarlock]

Stores where I am are also trying to go to self-checkouts only which is annoying, because I refuse to use those machines mainly because they take away jobs from people who could need the money. My main issue with recent pushes of automation is that a lot of what's being automated is jobs that many people need to earn money to live. The only job that I don't mind is being automated or replaced by AI is influencers, because if it means less stupid things getting pushed online I'll be all for it.

I also notice that alot of self checkouts don't accept cash. I don't know if this is the same for others, but this could also further make cash obsolete

 

[Pangolin]

Stores where I am are also trying to go to self-checkouts only which is annoying, because I refuse to use those machines mainly because they take away jobs from people who could need the money. My main issue with recent pushes of automation is that a lot of what's being automated is jobs that many people need to earn money to live. The only job that I don't mind is being automated or replaced by AI is influencers, because if it means less stupid things getting pushed online I'll be all for it.

I also notice that alot of self checkouts don't accept cash. I don't know if this is the same for others, but this could also further make cash obsolete

If you use self checkout, then the store can legally accuse you of stealing if you accidentally fail to scan something or fail to scan something properly and the machine wigged out. If you forget the water on the bottom that is also considered stealing even though you fully intended on paying for everything. I am no longer going to risk using their machines and catch a theft charge because their machine failed.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoQxq2P7Y4

 

[Some_porcupine]

I also notice that alot of self checkouts don't accept cash. I don't know if this is the same for others, but this could also further make cash obsolete

ew technocrats
EU etc... control freaks

 

[SaturnianWarlock]

If you use self checkout, then the store can legally accuse you of stealing if you accidentally fail to scan something or fail to scan something properly and the machine wigged out. If you forget the water on the bottom that is also considered stealing even though you fully intended on paying for everything. I am no longer going to risk using their machines and catch a theft charge because their machine failed.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoQxq2P7Y4

Self checkouts usually have cameras on them. Couldn't that be used to proof innocence?

 

[Xovi]

Self-replicating machines of doom?

 

[Water Temple]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssZ_8cqfBlE


Grocery stores don't need humans anymore. Its already operational as a giant sorting machine.

It's wild we're living in a time where this is a functioning grocery store. The only issue I see with this is with produce, meats, and other perishable goods. Not being able to see or handle it before purchasing it would make me skeptical about buying said products. On the other hand, you no longer have to buy those products that are often times handled by weirdos that might be unhygienic, or buying produce placed at people's crotch level.

Stores where I am are also trying to go to self-checkouts only which is annoying, because I refuse to use those machines mainly because they take away jobs from people who could need the money.

I've worked both in retail and grocery in the US, if you're just skilled in being a cashier then you're not making a living wage, and if you're not able to learn a new skill in different departments (stocking, deli, customer service, team leader, etc.) maybe your job needs to be replaced. Cashiering is pretty easy and straight forward, especially in the digital age; so the people that complain about the computer taking their entry-level job away makes little sense to me. The people I see working those jobs are usually younger people (who either have roommates or are still living with their parents) and those who are either down on their luck, drug users, and mentally disabled people; and I commend grocery stores for even hiring these people. I get that people who are mostly down on their luck have to get these certain jobs, and it sucks that living in 'the best country on earth' shuns and disowns people who physically and/or mentally disabled can only do jobs like cashiering and still have to be on welfare because of how little billion-dollar grocery store chains give these people.

Where would you draw the line of people being victims and people being responsible for their actions and life choices? There are plenty of other entry-level opportunities outside of cashiering that any of the types of people I mentioned could work at. Unless you live in some tiny, dying town and have zero means of getting out of your terrible lifestyle then you have my sympathy, but at the same time there are so many resources even within small towns to help people find work. It's hard to think people who claim to have no resources to get higher paying jobs also have a computer in their pocket that could lead them to many better opportunities. Like the saying goes, "If you're not growing, you're going".