War in Ukraine

[Still a Youth]

Absolutely this. Those in gov't who were not on board with getting max vaxxed were put on unpaid leave w/o the option for any sort of (un)employment insurance. This includes the military. To date, only a handful have been given exemptions, religous or otherwise. Those who are not loyal to the party are all coming up on the six month review of having been put on unpaid leave. At this six month mark, they can be completely let go. Those skeptical of the 'cathedral' (as Moldbug puts it), have been purged.

i live in exile

 

[LincolnJames]

i live in exile

You and me both brother.

 

[Still a Youth]

You and me both brother.

 

[IlluminatiPirate]

 

[Still a Youth]

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no sympathy for nazi sympathizers. He made his choice.

 

[LincolnJames]

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I saw this but what didn't make sense was that I've not seen /pol/acks encourage anyone to join Azov beyond some shit posting. That said, I haven't been in any /chug/ threads since the very beginning due to the insane number of shills. Has /chug/ morphed into a pro Azov thread?

no sympathy for nazi sympathizers. He made his choice.

Are they really though? I'm not a Nazi-specialist but despite what they or the media claim, how are they Nazis? They seem to me to be Ukrainian-Slavic national socialists (and how true they are to this I have no idea) who have adopted a lot of esoteric Nazi symbolism. If they're actually Nazis, what exactly are they fighting for? Again, I'm no Nazi-expert but I'm pretty sure Slavs are not looked upon fondly by Nazi ideology.

 

[Still a Youth]

I saw this but what didn't make sense was that I've not seen /pol/acks encourage anyone to join Azov beyond some shit posting. That said, I haven't been in any /chug/ threads since the very beginning due to the insane number of shills. Has /chug/ morphed into a pro Azov thread?

Are they really though? I'm not a Nazi-specialist but despite what they or the media claim, how are they Nazis? They seem to me to be Ukrainian-Slavic national socialists (and how true they are to this I have no idea) who have adopted a lot of esoteric Nazi symbolism. If they're actually Nazis, what exactly are they fighting for? Again, I'm no Nazi-expert but I'm pretty sure Slavs are not looked upon fondly by Nazi ideology.

i can find it if you'd like, but the Azov battalion started off as a nazi street gang who went around assulting their opponents (from like 2014 or so). Their leader has stated that it is the devine mission of their group to free the world from semetic slime or something. Nazism is a delusional ideology. The category "white" or "ayrian" is too loosely defined to be as stagnant as someone who is used to working with categories would recognize it. This is in part why discussing critical race theory isn't as ridiculous as people make it out to be. "White" for the founding fathers was not what we call "white" today. For example, the Irish were not "white", even thought they would be classified as "white" today. Similarly, "Ayran" for Hitler's party was not the same as "ayran" for someone like peter kropotkin, nor is it the same as the "white" we use today (which is presumably what Azov works under, but since their esoteric their categories are intrinsically and intentionally ambiguous). I would assume their fighting for a white, Ukrainian ethnostate to be subsumed into the United Nations. There's a reason why someone like Richard Spencer supports them.

 

[LincolnJames]

i can find it if you'd like, but the Azov battalion started off as a nazi street gang who went around assulting their opponents (from like 2014 or so). Their leader has stated that it is the devine mission of their group to free the world from semetic slime or something. Nazism is a delusional ideology. The category "white" or "ayrian" is too loosely defined to be as stagnant as someone who is used to working with categories would recognize it. This is in part why discussing critical race theory isn't as ridiculous as people make it out to be. "White" for the founding fathers was not what we call "white" today. For example, the Irish were not "white", even thought they would be classified as "white" today. Similarly, "Ayran" for Hitler's party was not the same as "ayran" for someone like peter kropotkin, nor is it the same as the "white" we use today (which is presumably what Azov works under, but since their esoteric their categories are intrinsically and intentionally ambiguous). I would assume their fighting for a white, Ukrainian ethnostate to be subsumed into the United Nations. There's a reason why someone like Richard Spencer supports them.

I appreciate you taking the time to type all of that out but I don't think you've answered my question. Are you saying they're Nazis because they "started off as a nazi street gang," whatever that means? Are they Nazi because we no longer use the terms white and aryan as they were once used? Are they Nazi because they're anti-semetic or do we not use anti-semetic in the same way that we used to too? How is it that they're accepting and supportive of a Jewish president (not to mention the vice president and the major of Kyev)? Again, I don't claim to be an expert in this field but Nazi was the term for the German National Socialist Party. So they're not Nazis. Nazis don't exist anymore as far as I know. This isn't the 1930s and this isn't Germany. They could be neo-Nazi but what does that even mean? Is it simply anti-semetic? Does that mean that African Americans who dislike Jews are also Nazis? The National Socialists of 1930s Germany were a lot more than anti-semetic. It should go without saying that I'm not advocating for any of this ideology but am simply wondering why these terms are being used? Sounds like boogieman propaganda to me and your choice to use Richard 'I glow brighter than the sun' Spencer to support your explanation is highly questionable.

 

[brentw]

You sure are doing a lot of mental gymnastics to come up with some excuse to pretend that the guys who call themselves Nazis, say Nazi things, and wear Nazi symbols, are not really Nazis.

 

[LincolnJames]

You sure are doing a lot of mental gymnastics to come up with some excuse to pretend that the guys who call themselves Nazis, say Nazi things, and wear Nazi symbols, are not really Nazis.

I feel like the excuses being made are for why they are Nazis because, whether you accept it or not, they can't be Nazis. Nazis no longer exist. They haven't for the better part of 100 years, so who's pretending? And if that's true, that still leaves me with trying to figure out what they actually are while everyone else simply calls them (and anyone else they don't like) a Nazi.

By your logic, the Black Israelites are actually Jewish. That's also something I would not agree with. You must also believe that the Democratic Party in the USA is democratic. Sorry, but it's not me who's doing the gymnastics.

 

[IlluminatiPirate]

 

[brentw]

I feel like the excuses being made are for why they are Nazis because, whether you accept it or not, they can't be Nazis. Nazis no longer exist. They haven't for the better part of 100 years, so who's pretending? And if that's true, that still leaves me with trying to figure out what they actually are while everyone else simply calls them (and anyone else they don't like) a Nazi.

By your logic, the Black Israelites are actually Jewish. That's also something I would not agree with. You must also believe that the Democratic Party in the USA is democratic. Sorry, but it's not me who's doing the gymnastics.

They're neonazis. You know damn well most people just say "nazi" instead of neonazi because everyone knows there aren't literal 1930's Nazis running around.
We all know what we're talking about, including you. You're just being a pedantic ass.

They're fucking Nazis. And you're just trying to make excuses to not feel guilty for supporting nazis.

If you want to support them because you hate Russia more, just fucking do it.
But don't delude yourself into thinking you're on some unassailable moral high ground.

 

[H1ssss]

This war will be over in 24 hours or less imo. Ukraine does not have a chance there are reports Russia has already taken out all of their air defenses. It's clear Russia has planned this to be a very rapid invasion I don't see how Kiev can hold.
edit: Reports of Chinese warships entering Taiwan territorial waters this could be the start of a broader east/west conflict

this one didn't age well

 

[brentw]

Haha, is Rock Chuck reading this thread?

 

[LincolnJames]

They're neonazis. You know damn well most people just say "nazi" instead of neonazi because everyone knows there aren't literal 1930's Nazis running around.
We all know what we're talking about, including you. You're just being a pedantic ass.

They're fucking Nazis. And you're just trying to make excuses to not feel guilty for supporting nazis.

If you want to support them because you hate Russia more, just fucking do it.
But don't delude yourself into thinking you're on some unassailable moral high ground.

I'm not convinced they're neo-Nazis either. Again, what makes them neo-Nazi? Their anti-semitism? If so, how do you explain their support for their semetic leadership? I've already asked these questions and they've not been answered. If you can't answer these sensible questions (i.e. why are the anti-semites supporting a semite), that's fine because I can't either but stop bringing up the same 'b-but they say they're Nazis so they must be' points that have already been made and left unanswered... If you want your world to be defined by their dillusion, that's fine, but I'm not interested in having my reality painted by people who don't understand what they're talking about. They could be claiming they're Jewish or space aliens and I'd still be asking the same questions.

I'm not sure why you claim I'm making excuses in order not to feel guilty about supporting them because I've never once said I support them. In fact, I don't support them. And I don't support them mostly because I don't understand them or their ideology. Likewise, if I was in support of democracy, I wouldn't simply support the Democrats because it's in their name. I would want to ensure they are what they claim. If I were a follower of Nazi ideology, I don't think I would be able to support Azov either because they don't seem to fit, as I understand it, within the Nazi framework. (But again, as I've said more than once, I'm no expert in this field). I don't hate Russia either. Nor do I support it. I do however better understand Russia's actions than I do the Ukrainians, neo-Nazi or otherwise. That's one of the reasons I'm trying to get someone to explain why these people are neo-Nazis beyond, 'muh sun wheel'.

Lastly, there's no morale highground that I'm trying to achieve. I'm simply asking how these people are actually Nazis, neo-Nazis, etc., beyond simply adpoting the title and some loosely-tied asthetics. I ask the same questions about men who wear a dress and claim they're women. You can give anything a title but that doesn't make it real.

 

[Pangolin]

Haha, is Rock Chuck reading this thread?

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Big if true

 

[Andy Kaufman]

Haha, is Rock Chuck reading this thread?

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he never misses

 

[Still a Youth]

I appreciate you taking the time to type all of that out but I don't think you've answered my question. Are you saying they're Nazis because they "started off as a nazi street gang," whatever that means? Are they Nazi because we no longer use the terms white and aryan as they were once used? Are they Nazi because they're anti-semetic or do we not use anti-semetic in the same way that we used to too? How is it that they're accepting and supportive of a Jewish president (not to mention the vice president and the major of Kyev)? Again, I don't claim to be an expert in this field but Nazi was the term for the German National Socialist Party. So they're not Nazis. Nazis don't exist anymore as far as I know. This isn't the 1930s and this isn't Germany. They could be neo-Nazi but what does that even mean? Is it simply anti-semetic? Does that mean that African Americans who dislike Jews are also Nazis? The National Socialists of 1930s Germany were a lot more than anti-semetic. It should go without saying that I'm not advocating for any of this ideology but am simply wondering why these terms are being used? Sounds like boogieman propaganda to me and your choice to use Richard 'I glow brighter than the sun' Spencer to support your explanation is highly questionable.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=133&v=Mi859Bbcw8E&feature=emb_title

 

[LincolnJames]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=133&v=Mi859Bbcw8E&feature=emb_title

>ackchyually guys, they're real nazis not neo-Nazis cause the ex-Islamist on Fox News said so.
t. >reddit

ok

 

[LincolnJames]

is this a sign of things to come?