does the zoomer generation have zero tech skills?

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Found more discussion of zoomer doom.
While I admit, I enjoy making fun of zoomers ... all this is starting to make me really sad for them.
I honestly think the gen-x/millennials responsible for turning our education system into this mess should be put on trial or something.
At the very least they should be hounded out of education.
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This loser doesn't want to blame teachers, because he's a fucking redditor posting on a teacher's sub.
And leftist redditors are extremely allergic to admitting fault of progressives.
But his observations on the state of zoomers tracks pretty with my experiences.
 
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This whole diatribe is so self-affirming and fart-huffing that it's hard to take it seriously. Empathy is not a valuable trait in successful murderers. The OP can stroke his dick all day and hmm-yes himself off, but on a dark street in LA I'd much rather have 85 IQ and a knife than a doctorate in self-love and a briefcase.
On a dark street in LA, I'd rather have a doctorate in self-love, and a briefcase. What's in my briefcase? My self-love... my self-defence... my tommy gun!

On another point, most people already view Homeless vets as useless bums on the street. Now consider the military has a restrict requirement on IQ being >85IQ(Not entirely true but splitting hairs on this point...). What does this say by transitivity about the government's stance on 85IQ or less folks? Well... nothing explicitly! But implicitly, we can mince words :drinkBleach:
Hell, multiple governments have tried to use eugenics to cull them, and abortions are heavily recommended by doctors for unlucky parents with cracked mirrors.
While a high IQ is valuable for abstract problem solving, it is not a pathway to happiness or even success. Imagine what our lives would be like if we weren't paranoid about climate change, being hunted by shadowy government agents or the downfall of society. Imagine what it'd be like if you only cared about where your next nut was coming from or how many likes you have on your insta.
I definitely wouldn't call it a pathway to happiness, but it has been consistently shown to have a very strong correlation with career/financial success.
If the problem is happiness or success and is targeted by these High IQ people, then they get it. A lot of high IQ people don't target happiness(hence the common depressed intellectual). A lot of people don't really have a clue how they'd define happiness OR success either and tend to be incredibly corrosive towards achieving that- consider how often smart people shame others- I'll leave >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk dogpiling as a good example of this, and how nihilism is so common nowadays. Even those high IQ folks.


High IQ isn't good if your identity is tied to IQ as it is in those Mensa folks. If you look at general population and look the Mensa population and compare financial success of the 2 populations, Mensa has a worse rate of financial success. Your arrows are aimed at the bridge to high IQ, the indicator, not to success or happiness. This can also partly be attributed as a risk-reward payoff. Smart people are paradoxically less likely to take risky decisions as risky decisions are usually stupid decisions... UNLESS... you have a taste of delusion, adventure, action, mental illness, wine or other great and terrible tastes(now these are the creative people, usually smart, usually homeless, usually punished for their bad taste, and rarely... 1/1000 times maybe, rewarded massively for what they bring to the table.).

Unfortunately most people don't set their sights on happiness or success- or they have denied themselves the wisdom of their body in what is happiness or successful to them- preferring the herd's happiness or success. Most people think happiness is a night inebriated at the pub, when the next day they are violently sick or violently pacified in the drunk tank.
This whole diatribe is so self-affirming and fart-huffing that it's hard to take it seriously. Empathy is not a valuable trait in successful murderers. The OP can stroke his dick all day and hmm-yes himself off, but on a dark street in LA I'd much rather have 85 IQ and a knife than a doctorate in self-love and a briefcase.
Empathy is the ability to understand and share the feelings of someone. There's something there... understanding. If you have poor theory of mind, you cannot understand another. As for the sharing feelings part- I think it often does a lot more harm than good to try and share feelings with someone, as you can drown under their own feelings. Doctors who have to deal with a regular rotation of dying patients has to break the news of death- and sharing those feelings is bad. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of empathy, and as a result, causes a lot of people to view Doctors as psychopathic, when in reality it's to stop themselves drowning in misery.
Empathy is not a valuable trait in successful murderers.
How do you define a successful murderer. Landing in the slammer? I would define it as someone who murders, achieves the murder, and doesn't affect their life negatively doing it. The most successful murderers, are those who understand people. A form of this, is understanding what will get them caught. Only idiots get caught for a crime that is consciously and willingly done. Another form is more divorced from intentional murder, and is more of a side effect... convincing or manipulating others to murder for them(as a side note, those others murdering on behalf of the government to shoot up some Russians in the Ukrainian war in foreign legion. They end up with PTSD and other experiences that can crush a person's spirit). Politicians, advertisers, food industry CEOs... etc. It's a murder put up a stepladder of understanding, but as the saying goes: "It is not enough to succeed, Others must fail.".

Empathy is about understanding- but joke-cracking of all forms can be had within the confines of understanding. In fact... those who are offended, usually indicates they've struck Gold! Within that Gold, is Golden laughter at the joy both parties have in the dance of discussion! Of course this has to be the laughter of the man and not of the herd, as the latter has those very >redditcostanzayeahrightsmirk dogpiling qualities. Jokes require a lot more work to understand, just like aphorisms. Unfortunately people are married to offense more than laughter- misery more than happiness. Back to the problem of happiness: I think most people don't want happiness, but want comfort. Especially the smart hikikomori rejects "memento mori"... memento hikikomori.
 
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Most people who do not use a PC for gaming do not know much more than how to turn a PC on, and how to use normie platforms. Its not like they really give a shit about most of the things online because they have other interests that aren't nerd stuff. This isn't unique for zoomers, and the prior generations have far more tech illiterate mfers asking stupid questions.

This isn't shameful or some sort of tragedy. Its PC nerds thinking that everyone needs to be a tech person so that they never have to help them with small computer stuff. The most having better computer literacy does for average joe, is speed up their excel spreadsheet work. Older generations have complained since the dawn of time about how the youth is a bunch of retarded horny fuck ups squandering what was given to them, and will do so till the end of time.
 
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jeesus why
add.: reminds me that "loop in loop in loop" greentext about IQ - story in story in story...
The power to think puts you above 90% of people. Now thinking well... that's where the difficulty lies, and where the goats are separated from the sheep. The easiest person to delude or lie to is yourself. There are no truths, only half-truths that have truisms in them. Untested wisdom treated as a truth instead of experimented on, can be apocalyptic to a person. Terrible ideas and ideologies are most convincing to intelligent people who can follow the unusual logic they use. It doesn't help food, drink, sleep and all signals of the body are discarded in favour of what influencers tell you is the problem- as there is more wisdom in your body than all books combined. Wisdom is the combination of knowledge and experience- knowledge usually best derived from reflection- reflection denied by distraction- distraction often provided by trivia knowledge and top 5 lists.
oh yes. above this text (pics) - here
 
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I definitely wouldn't call it a pathway to happiness, but it has been consistently shown to have a very strong correlation with career/financial success.
it is only tool
it can help, as too, do damage
 
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Off topic, but is this true? Whenever I see a homeless vet waiting on the VA to approve their disability, I just take it as one more reason to hate the government. That one vet charity that got exposed for wasting all their money on executive parties is still in operation and I'm pretty sure the VA still has a secret waiting list to obscure how many veterans are dying while they wait for appointments.
It's more nuanced than saying it's true or false. The vet part just makes these homeless folks sound cooler, more honourable, more disrespected, more deserving of respect and other things like that. Consider that stolen valor is also something some people can try, to take advantage of those social brownie points(and consider also that stolen valor can help you get welfare that can help you get "stuff"). Even some working people want stolen valor, and it probably comes from a romanticisation of military service put forward by hollywood, childhood imaginations and the quantity and quality of the stories of vets compared to working class people which mythologises them.

They're just homeless people at the end of the day and it's homelessness that a lot of people have internalised to mean "useless bum" or a net negative on their lives by association. It's this internalisation that I'm speaking about, consciously they speak and maybe even act to say that homeless vets are an issue, but they don't see a homeless vet on the streets, they see a homeless person. The Government doesn't have to try that hard to help them, if they're already being alienated out of society by all the folks in that society. It's easy to blame the Government here, but the Government is supposed to represent society(no taxation without representation... right?), and if this is a societal issue where most members of society don't want to help them, and the Government is representing them in their policies and actions... I think you get where I'm going with this. Government is just a symptom. And as for the Government using them for military service... call me when the world has no need for military service as conflict is built into our biology(but that concerns producing vets, not producing homeless vets). It's basically a minority(vets) of a minority(homeless people) that policy changes here would appeal to.
 
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Found more discussion of zoomer doom.
While I admit, I enjoy making fun of zoomers ... all this is starting to make me really sad for them.
I honestly think the gen-x/millennials responsible for turning our education system into this mess should be put on trial or something.
At the very least they should be hounded out of education.
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This loser doesn't want to blame teachers, because he's a fucking redditor posting on a teacher's sub.
And leftist redditors are extremely allergic to admitting fault of progressives.
But his observations on the state of zoomers tracks pretty with my experiences.
I was a long term sub for two years and this dead on. I hadn't really been able to put it into words, but here it is. The only thing I'd add is too many teachers have bought into the system and will fight for it. Beyond that, this is exactly what I would have said. The dexterity issues are one that I've noticed and nobody seems to want to talk about. I've seen kids unable to write beyond chicken scratch and they're banging their head/shoulders off the door because they don't know where their body starts and ends.

I have no idea how we'd dig ourselves out of this hole either.
 

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I'm 23 and most of my peers do not own computers, they do pretty much everything from a cellphone. The ones that have desktop computers use them exclusively for gaming + Discord.
The few who have laptops use them exclusively for school/watching Netflix and it's usually Macbooks which are computers for people who just want a computer that is easy to use and doesn't require much thinking.
But almost all of them always have had problems with getting viruses or wondering why their computer is running so slow meanwhile they have dozens of programs installed that were those ones that come packaged in an installation for some other program they probably downloaded off the first result on Google.
They also don't know how to work AdBlock and they don't know that incognitio mode doesn't mean your browsing history isn't still kept track of elsewhere.
I think it's just because of smartphones. You can do most things on a smartphone instead of pulling out your laptop or turning on your computer, so they just do it that way.
 
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Has anyone ran into the zoomers with zero tech skills ? It is at a sad level
Does this actually happen? I am a zoomer (In UK), I don't think I have met anyone that didn't know how to use a computer. I'd struggle a bit with MacOS because I don't use it, but most universities and work places seems to only use windows and linux for stuff
 

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A tech skill is doing something with tech. Using a hammer to hammer in a nail is technically a tech skill, as hammers are a form of technology(not very sophisticated though). That said, digital skills, even still, a lot of zoomers are skilled if the digital technology they want to be skilled in, is for their socialising. Social media use, basic computer use, basic phone use etc. Whatever they want to do on a regular basis, they have to be skilled in.

3D modelling is a digital tech skill. I don't know it. Programming in Java is a digital tech skill. I know that. I'm sure there's plenty of digital tech skills you can think of that you have no experience in, and that you have experience in- and to zoomers the same thing. This also aligns with the needs for technology. If there's a demand for something, the skills will be supplied for it. Videos? Video editing. Programs? Programming. Some people demand it from themselves, or can't afford it from someone else, so have to learn it themselves. This is the case with cars too. Are you in-car-mpetent?
There's a larger issue with zoomers as far as I see it (in hobby communities etc). If I need to learn stuff (like 3d modeling for example, cause I did learn this), I can just sit down and do it. I have a functional base of skills that I can translate to apply to other problems. When I've come across zoomers of age 15-18 trying to learn to do stuff, they lack the fundamental skills they need to glom together to get good at other stuff, and they often also have anxiety issues that lead them to give up really easily. This usually leads to people who have no investment in teaching them every single building block in the tower of knowledge just writing them off. The kids aren't actually incapable of doing this stuff, if schooled through it all carefully. The problem is, this is when they want to learn. If they need to but don't want to, good luck trying to drill anything into them.
Found more discussion of zoomer doom.
While I admit, I enjoy making fun of zoomers ... all this is starting to make me really sad for them.
I honestly think the gen-x/millennials responsible for turning our education system into this mess should be put on trial or something.
At the very least they should be hounded out of education.
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This loser doesn't want to blame teachers, because he's a fucking redditor posting on a teacher's sub.
And leftist redditors are extremely allergic to admitting fault of progressives.
But his observations on the state of zoomers tracks pretty with my experiences.
The lack of motor skills is something I see a bunch and it's shocking how many zoomers are incapable when it comes to fine motor skills. I regularly see a lot of butchering when they attempt finnicky work, and it's kinda mental tbf. This is stuff I have taught dyspraxic friends around my age to do no problem, but it's like zoomers have boxing gloves on all the time.
 
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Does this actually happen? I am a zoomer (In UK), I don't think I have met anyone that didn't know how to use a computer. I'd struggle a bit with MacOS because I don't use it, but most universities and work places seems to only use windows and linux for stuff
It does happen, maybe it's a US thing or I just see it more often though. I have friends who have trouble moving files around on a PC on Windows and i've seen people my age be just as bad with technology as people who are like 70 and only use it for Facebook, email, and maybe googling stuff.
I'm 23 and most of my peers do not own computers, they do pretty much everything from a cellphone. The ones that have desktop computers use them exclusively for gaming + Discord.
The few who have laptops use them exclusively for school/watching Netflix and it's usually Macbooks which are computers for people who just want a computer that is easy to use and doesn't require much thinking.
But almost all of them always have had problems with getting viruses or wondering why their computer is running so slow meanwhile they have dozens of programs installed that were those ones that come packaged in an installation for some other program they probably downloaded off the first result on Google.
They also don't know how to work AdBlock and they don't know that incognitio mode doesn't mean your browsing history isn't still kept track of elsewhere.
I think it's just because of smartphones. You can do most things on a smartphone instead of pulling out your laptop or turning on your computer, so they just do it that way.
Lol I have no clue how the average person has to actually have any worry about viruses. Let's think about it for a minute, how the hell are they of all people getting viruses and getting hacked more than people who click nearly every link, downloads suspicious stuff a decent bit, and has no anti-virus or anything like that (aka me and probably a few others on this site).

Well for getting hacked:
- They re-use the same password on every site despite being told not to.
- Their passwords are weak as shit (good luck cracking my 100-200+ character passwords, i'm serious btw)
- No 2FA, despite usually giving all their info out anyways and not just making it harder.
- Falling for scams/other BS that gets them hacked, except they fall for it too easily.

As for viruses:
- Despite seemingly spending all their time on the mainstream web, they apparently are just doing enough to get viruses. How? I have no clue, but it's impressive, maybe piracy but otherwise idk.

Normies are strange, how the hell do you get the average person to at least install uBlocker Origin and use some other stuff to help them out? I was reading another Agora thread that suggested slowly just giving them stuff like "hey look at this cool thing i found" or something like that instead, it's probably the best bet. Won't come across as a schizo, yet might actually help some people.

Considering it's just basic computer knowledge that'll save most people tons of trouble, you'd think people would at least bother to know basic computer operation. I'm not even talking command line, literally just move files properly and have an actually good browser with uBlocker Origin and blocking tracking (seriously, websites are so much faster without useless ADs all over the place). Whatever ig, we can't usually help those who don't wanna be helped.
 
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Does this actually happen? I am a zoomer (In UK), I don't think I have met anyone that didn't know how to use a computer. I'd struggle a bit with MacOS because I don't use it, but most universities and work places seems to only use windows and linux for stuff
which end of zoomer are you? I don't see it as much in people in their early 20s as compared to say, teenagers.
 
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It does happen, maybe it's a US thing or I just see it more often though.
As someone not from the US it's not just a US thing. It's more a chronic phone user thing and more prevalent in younger Gen Z.
Lol I have no clue how the average person has to actually have any worry about viruses.
It's actually surprisingly easy to get some internet aids on your PC, especially if you have no adblock and have no idea what you're doing online. All it takes is one shady site and a popup ad. Since most tech and things in general are built to degrade and corpos purposefully throttle older devices they think that the slowness is normal and not the adware.
Well for getting hacked
They almost always get phished from my experience, 2fa is "annoying" so they don't bother. Many of them make accounts on emails and then forget the credentials. Very similar to boomers in that regard and I don't bother helping them in those cases.
how the hell do you get the average person to at least install uBlocker Origin
"Hey you know those annoying youtube ads? i have just the thing for you".
When offering help with most zoomers going from the instant gratification angle usually does the trick. Don't bother trying to explain tracking or other things they don't know and care even less.

I installed it for a few friends and most don't even know what it is or what it does, they just thank me that it works and since they have sync on they have adblock on new desktop devices too. In the long run makes my life easier since "resident IT guy" over here doesn't have to fix their bloated windows installs every few months. No joke the best thing you can do for someone that doesn't have tech skills is to install an adblock, then bother with everything else.
 
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It's actually surprisingly easy to get some internet aids on your PC, especially if you have no adblock and have no idea what you're doing online. All it takes is one shady site and a popup ad. Since most tech and things in general are built to degrade and corpos purposefully throttle older devices they think that the slowness is normal and not the adware.
Yea true, I've only gotten hacked like once in my life and I was able to get it under control within like 20 minutes (i was 10 back then nearly 11, YT had gotten hacked). However, if i had not discovered ad-blockers as early as i did, i probably would've had to do that way more than just once.
As someone not from the US it's not just a US thing. It's more a chronic phone user thing and more prevalent in younger Gen Z.
Can't say i'm too surprised, also yea it seems to be mostly teenagers and some young adults who can't do basic things.
They almost always get phished from my experience, 2fa is "annoying" so they don't bother. Many of them make accounts on emails and then forget the credentials. Very similar to boomers in that regard and I don't bother helping them in those cases.
Boomers and normie zoomers aren't so different with technology the more i think about it. Minor differences with what sites are used yes, but with generally the same issues despite being several decades younger than boomers.
"Hey you know those annoying youtube ads? i have just the thing for you".
When offering help with most zoomers going from the instant gratification angle usually does the trick. Don't bother trying to explain tracking or other things they don't know and care even less.
Good idea, most zoomers don't give a shit about tracking but literally not one person likes advertisements and since they're using Chrome sync, it's always gonna be on their device anyways. I'll probably slowly get people non-shitty as fuck software that way. No need to think about tracking that zoomers don't care about, don't sound like a schizo, just "yay no ads" or "yay extra features and a cool looking email client".
I installed it for a few friends and most don't even know what it is or what it does, they just thank me that it works and since they have sync on they have adblock on new desktop devices too. In the long run makes my life easier since "resident IT guy" over here doesn't have to fix their bloated windows installs every few months. No joke the best thing you can do for someone that doesn't have tech skills is to install an adblock, then bother with everything else.
I've noticed just how much not having useless shit can help someone out. I have a computer with like 4GB of ram not even using Linux (but rather Windows 10) and it's actually pretty fast still. All i had to do was get rid of useless bloat on the system, it's that easy. No wonder corporations can get people to buy more technology so easily, the people using it don't know how easy it is to keep things running as normal.
 
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I've noticed just how much not having useless shit can help someone out. I have a computer with like 4GB of ram not even using Linux (but rather Windows 10) and it's actually pretty fast still. All i had to do was get rid of useless bloat on the system, it's that easy. No wonder corporations can get people to buy more technology so easily, the people using it don't know how easy it is to keep things running as normal.
Yeah, one of the most important things is to not fill up your pc with bloat. Even low-end PCs can work perfectly fine if maintained, but most are just used to their stuff slowing down so they don't even try.
 
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Yeah, one of the most important things is to not fill up your pc with bloat. Even low-end PCs can work perfectly fine if maintained, but most are just used to their stuff slowing down so they don't even try.
Yea. The moment I stopped having useless shit on my computers, everything worked way better. Sometimes things would still slow down such as with games, but things still work.
 
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When I've come across zoomers of age 15-18 trying to learn to do stuff, they lack the fundamental skills they need to glom together to get good at other stuff, and they often also have anxiety issues that lead them to give up really easily.
I agree, there's 2 sides to this.
Learning how to learn, and learning from people. Learning how to learn requires an interest in learning, and practicing learning and what works for you(not what you think works for you, DO NOT BE CONNED BY UNTESTED WISDOM SOME YOUTUBER SELLS YOU AS IF IT'S A ONE SIZE FITS ALL SYSTEM). If something is explicitly called learning, they associate it with schooling, and due to the prussian education system nature of schools they are conditioned to dislike learning, while at the same time using their learning to fill low-effort low-skill jobs.

The "fix" as I see it is mentors. In the past, the majority of jobs were hereditary, your grandfather was a smith, your father was a smith, and you would learn the family trade. There is also a point of apprenticeships here too. In the past apprenticeships were far more common- where you'd have an apprentice and master, a mentor and a student. This 1:1 relationship cultivates long lasting friendship, gains for the mentor as teaching is its own learning, creation and expression, and gains for the student in learning. Most people do not realise that mentors are the most natural form of education, and our education system is an unnatural system designed for pumping out military officers as if they are cogs in a machine.

Sam Hyde expressed it pretty well here, but I also draw on my own experience as I've had 2 people who I'd consider mentors to me. It's also why multiple generations of a family can stay wealthy as the Father sees beyond his own nose and his own self, and isn't just the Father to his kids but the mentor to them. This is also one of the fundamental things in family dynamics that I think a Father must do, otherwise the kid is set up for failure in life. Lets be honest, most kids are set up for failure this way. This is also part of why for women, older men tend to be seen as higher value to them, because they have that mentoring capacity(note I say capacity. If we're being honest, most of them couldn't really teach a kid how to do finances since the majority of people have their finances in a wreck) which comes out of experience and knowledge.



I put the words fix in quotes on the 2nd paragraph because there's no way to enforce or create mentor-student dynamics across an entire population. Schools attempt to do this with school mentors or whatnot, outsourcing it to kids the year above them, but it doesn't do much for either person, as both are forced into this situation they don't want. As a result it's mentors in name only(and going back to the point about school conditioning against learning, schools sully the idea and benefits of mentors by warping the meaning of the word).

Returning back to the quote, the anxiety issues partly come from the challenge being very high, which it will be if you don't have the skills. With technology present and warping the dopamine system, sedating with porn and videogames and mental illnesses(not even getting into whether medicating is the correct approach, which medications have side effects), and that youths are generally more anxious than elders... it makes sense they are anxious.
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Kinda apples and oranges comparison there. It costs nothing to talk about ethical issues. It costs quite a bit to purchase and train people on technology. And schools (in the US anyway) are criminally underfunded.

Something I've been thinking about for a long time: kids who grew up on the internet prior to smartphones might be the most technologically advanced generation. They had to learn a lot to use the internet/computers and had to be motivated to learn. Wanted a cool MySpace or forum? Had to learn HTML/CSS. Needed to learn how to make cool graphics for those places? Well now you're learning how to pirate and use Photoshop. Want to make new friends on the internet? Now you're hanging out in some shady, unmoderated IRC chat room. Etc, etc.

Now "the internet" is smart phones and Tiktok/Youtube. Kids don't need to learn anything beyond the basics. Not that that is "bad". It is progress that the technology has been so simplified and now there are many resources for free. But yes, there is no longer the level of skills required to be a netizen.
I feel like in some ways, it's been dumbed down a little too much, at least IMHO. It's mind-numbing to scroll endlessly and it's destroying our youth's attention span and, as my mother would say, "rotting their brains". I'm glad that it's more accessible, but I think there are better ways for the Net to be accessible without everything being algorithm hell.
agree 100000%. learning how2use anything beyond basic shiz isnt required, itz totally optional and most tech companies pander to the masses anywayz so if thingz keep going how they are now, most of the "advanced knowledge" will b replaced or outright removed in the future. i mean just look at windows 11, they hid/removed a ton of "power user" featurez cuz the majority of ppl havv no reason 2use them, or want to use them in the first place.
I especially see a lot of this with the iOS-ification of the Mac OS. It doesn't even have the visual style of a proper computer OS anymore, it looks like you took an iPad and added a menu bar and close buttons. I especially notice that most people tend to use programs maximized these days, which is especially iOS-esque on Macs when it doesn't show the dock or menu bar unless you hover. They're dumbing it down because people expect for some reason that computers should function exactly like smartphones and tablets.
 

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I especially see a lot of this with the iOS-ification of the Mac OS. It doesn't even have the visual style of a proper computer OS anymore, it looks like you took an iPad and added a menu bar and close buttons. I especially notice that most people tend to use programs maximized these days, which is especially iOS-esque on Macs when it doesn't show the dock or menu bar unless you hover. They're dumbing it down because people expect for some reason that computers should function exactly like smartphones and tablets.
Still think them changing the green button away from the really-badly-defined "Zoom" button was the worst thing that could have possibly happened to the Mac. A button that made no sense kept people in their fucking place, now I just see, as you say, loads of people just not learning the fucking window manager.
 
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Been a while since I was reading about learning and all that, but I seem to recall people can only grasp such ideas above a certain IQ level.
Like nearly 40% of the population will get nowhere with that sort of education. They literally aren't capable of grasping some things, like recursion or chains of cause and effect beyond direct physical interaction.
that checks out, I took an (online) IQ test once, and there was a certain point where I just didn't have the slightest clue how to approach it, like a hard cutoff
im afraid i dont have anything intelligent to say about it though
The kids aren't actually incapable of doing this stuff, if schooled through it all carefully. The problem is, this is when they want to learn. If they need to but don't want to, good luck trying to drill anything into them.
hm yes, this sounds like me unfortunately (am zoomer)
 
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