War in Ukraine

[abraKadabra]

Yeah I was a little optimistic on how fast it would take to clean out Ukraine. Still though, it's getting cleaned out and even their much announced summer offensive has turned out to be a real dud.

Not only that but now they are sending in the disabled to fight somehow. Saw a YouTube of a retarded guy on the front lines where he most definitely doesn't belong.

It's real awful but they refuse to accept defeat. It's getting so bad even their legislature is thinking of escaping while your average joes can't leave. They are even thinking of recalling all refugees and forcing them to fight.

I think it's time for Ukraine to face the music and give up. It's over. Even the US won't fund them and funding war and fighting war is all it does anymore.

The scariest thing is: there certainly will be a peace deal at some point, the conflict will be frozen with new borders mimicking current frontlines, and the whole thing will eventually become a time bomb with a countdown to a potential WW3. People claiming to be pacifists usually bring up the "Unjust peace is better than a war of justice" quote at this point of a conversation, but they're just plain dumb if they don't understand that in the 99% of the cases the "unjust peace" is a primary reason to start a bigger war in the future. What's going on now is not just a "stalemate in a conflict between two slavic countries", but the stalemate for the whole world's diplomacy, in which almost any possible next move leads to a disaster. If the Ukrainian government refuses to give up hopes of regaining their lost territories, then the war will continue and lead to a slow, but inevitable economic downfall for the both sides, and, as a result, the neverending global crisis we observe now. However, if they do decide to sign any kind of a peace treaty with Russia without reaching their military goals, it'll basically set a foundation for an even worse global conflict 10-20 years away, as both sides will be entitled to the max to get their final revenge, and will have the time and resourses to prepare. The only question here is: "What is better - a horrible end or an endless horror?"

Theoretically though, the best "get out of jail free" card for the West now would be a sudden regime change in Russia, with some moderate guy taking over and willing to deescalate the situation by beginning a long and painful process of negotiations with basically everyone, to develop a reasonable compromise. It's not impossible, considering that there already are some candidates on the role, but if this happens, it certainly won't be a totally peaceful transition of power, which raises a whole lot of other problems.

 

[Ross_Я]

It's not impossible, considering that there already are some candidates on the role,

Aren't they all dead?

Anyway, I'm not sure it is that bad. If anything, I'm pretty sure everything in this war is planned and discussed from the very start. I mean, does it even look like a war to you? No carpet bombings, no any developments, no... nothing. It's just fat slav cats pillaging money by selling weapons (Russia uses the whole war as an advertisment for their weapory as well and sold tons to various Africas since the war started) and dividing land again. I'm dead sure ukrainian and russian tops are in cahoots on this one.

If anything, the current Gaza conflict is much more troublesome in my eyes, because Israel is a major point for US and that war is actually a religious one.

But well, that's just my rather uneducated view. This war in Ukraine was tiresome since media started to talk about nukes - that was the point when I rolled my eyes over this fear-mongering and just stopped caring.

 

[no_chill]

but inevitable economic downfall for the both sides

Absolutely not. Russia is doing better than ever. The only economic downfall is of the west in this war. Its not the 60s anymore. China, Russia, India, SEA don't NEED us. We need them. Added to this is the retarded idea of globalisation that resulted in literally everything important (expect weapons) being produced solely in Asia. Every NATO member stockpile has been burned through in hohol land. Along the glorious Idea of sending the newest German tanks and having them be piloted by inexperienced hohols into straight Artillery or into swamps. Just 2 weeks after the deliveries the first Leopards were already paraded on the red square. Alongside American tanks mind you.

The Ukraine is already on '45 Volkssturm level of conscription. Young men get forcefully pulled out for school by the MP, as sacrifice to Moloch. Even women get already drafted. Russia could go on for years on the other hand.

There will be no "Global Crisis" either. There will only be one in the west. India is doing great, recently landed on the moon. China is stronger than ever. Brasil slowly enters first world status. Thankfully this whole system that allowed trannyism, faggotry and wokeism to grow will die horrifically.

 

[abraKadabra]

Russia is doing better than ever.

The Ukraine is already on '45 Volkssturm level of conscription.

Heard that exact bullshit a year ago, when the Wagner guys were bombing Bakhmut to the ground. Then, suddenly, something happened and our government almost had a civil war in the country between a bunch of ex-criminal mercenaries and the regular army, with a whole Deputy Defence Minister being held hostage. So yeah, sure, Russia's power structure stands solid as rock - and even holds a completely free and competitive elections to ensure that the will of the people is heard! And a year before that, when Russian tanks stood outside of Kyiv, I remember how all of the propagandist shitheads were bragging about this war being like an Operation Desert Storm for Russian army, but swifter and with less casualities. Then, suddenly, something happened, and our government had to conduct a partial mobilisation, taking 300 000 unprepared civilians out of their homes, giving them two weeks long training and throwing them to the battlefield with WW2 equipment against Bradleys and FPV-drones. So yeah, sure, Ukraine is almost out of manpower and there are only several months remainig until Russian Armed Forces will secure the western banks of Dnipro River, standing before Kyiv once again, ready to recieve a complete capitulation from Zelensky himself. Totally believable.

My point is that suppornting "the opposite of a current thing" doesn't authomatically make you cool, and doesn't make your world view more objective. Russia Today and CNN are equally dumb and uninventive in the ways of feeding you their agenda, so if you genuinely believe that the Russian/Chinese/Saudi news channels are more honest and unbiased towards you than the American ones, and because of that you mindlessly repeat their theses with sheer confidence that you and only you know THE TRUTH among these brainless leftist sheeps - then congratulations, you've fallen for the oldest trick in a book, buddy.

 

[zalaz alaza]

western citizens shilling against themselves is some of the most cringe shit ive ever seen. It is over , we will have general intelligence first and run the world for the next thousand years. looks like its neoliberalism for russia and glory for us Americans.

 

[no_chill]

My point is that suppornting "the opposite of a current thing" doesn't authomatically make you cool, and doesn't make your world view more objective.

Everyone here in Austria thinks this way.

Right click translate German -> English or whatever is your native language.

Gerald Markel: Was bleibt von der Ukraine? Wir haben alle verloren

Was bleibt von der Ukraine? Teil 2: Wir alle haben verloren. Von den berühmten „europäischen Werten" ist nichts mehr übrig. Der Krieg in der Ukraine geht in die letzte Phase – Russland wird diesen Krieg an allen Fronten gewinnen. Militärisch, geopolitisch und ökonomisch.

exxpress.at

Only our retarded government had to weigh in alongside the other retarded NATO nations on the sanctions and now we suffer greatly. Many Businesses closing down, many unemployed people. I cant even pay my electricity bills anymore. The local government does so for me.

Russia Today

Has been banned here since years. CNN not for example.

so if you genuinely believe that the Russian/Chinese/Saudi news channels are more honest and unbiased towards you than the American ones,

American ones are pure propaganda, dramatised and genuine dumb. Those nations news are very true as long as it doesn't concern their own country. Well at least in those countries I am allowed to complain on Trannyism, the infinite genders and all that woke shit. Here I get a fine for it. Also those countries have no nịggers or arab refugees. So they are already safer than most of europe. Also americans have nuclear weapon stationed here. Not russians. The Russians left Austria and Germany. The americans didn't. A no brainer why I would "support" russia.

None of what I said was influenced by any propaganda. It's pretty fucking obvious whats going on. When even Jewlensky needs to beg the euro countries that took his refugees to extradite them so they can die on the frontlines.

 

[Chomsky Honk]

Russia is doing better than ever.

I don't how slaugthering hundreds of thousands of men, repressing and killing political activists, and completley abandoning the freedom of speech and the institute of private property is doing fucking well. I don't know, maybe you belive that average russians are happy about war and all those great opportunities it opens, like loosing limbs and for that get paid money that will be enough to cover only like a year of minimum expenses. Or get prosecuted for the wrong colors on the clothing. Or get your buisness sabotaged or closed becasue someone in the government don't like you. Or beign jailed for some political posts you made years ago. Or beign held hostage in Chechnya because you burned coran on camera, and federal govermnet just ignoring it. And conservatives in the west will still fall to the propaganda of Russia beign some stronghold of traditionallity and family values. Despite government treating children like its property and brainwashing them in schools. And I also bet that you are not aware that Russia is on it's way to become one of the first countries to accept CBDC. And all the mass surveillance and data collection from mobile providers and ISPs that is initiated by federal laws. All globalists totalitarian tendencies that are now present in the West are already present in Russia. Putin is not against globalism. He is in avant garde of it.
People loosing their sons, fathers and husbands. Their ukranian relatives. Prices grow rapidly and many people struggle to afford basic necessities. Younger generation gets robbed of the futre and is constantly intimidated by repressive laws towards self-expression. People in Russia are desperate. And a violent outcome now seems inevitable.

 

[Antoine]

Absolutely not. Russia is doing better than ever. The only economic downfall is of the west in this war. Its not the 60s anymore. China, Russia, India, SEA don't NEED us. We need them. Added to this is the retarded idea of globalisation that resulted in literally everything important (expect weapons) being produced solely in Asia. Every NATO member stockpile has been burned through in hohol land. Along the glorious Idea of sending the newest German tanks and having them be piloted by inexperienced hohols into straight Artillery or into swamps. Just 2 weeks after the deliveries the first Leopards were already paraded on the red square. Alongside American tanks mind you.

The Ukraine is already on '45 Volkssturm level of conscription. Young men get forcefully pulled out for school by the MP, as sacrifice to Moloch. Even women get already drafted. Russia could go on for years on the other hand.

There will be no "Global Crisis" either. There will only be one in the west. India is doing great, recently landed on the moon. China is stronger than ever. Brasil slowly enters first world status. Thankfully this whole system that allowed trannyism, faggotry and wokeism to grow will die horrifically.

 

[K0WLOON]

I miss earlier days and newsgroup days when most persons actually questioned all sources of information. Now normies with lame lemming politik from every corner outnumber interesting personalities on the internet but observing the biases of information is more important now more thane ver.

baudrillard is doing 720 fakie nose slide in his tomb. He diagnosed this absurdity of modern information society meeeting the 24 hour news cycle in the 90s desert storm and sheild. Hyperreality is cooler when it doesn't include people dying

 

[Virago]

Assuming we don't get to all experience the wonderful health benefits of mass radiation therapy, at this point it kind of feels like Finland. Russia will win, but won't get everything on their wish list, and the rest of the world will meme about it forever as if it was some great Ukranian victory.

2 years later this prediction almost feels optimistic

 

[Pangolin]

Idk sure seems like Russia is winning and pushing the Ukrainian femboys back.

 

[Soloninja]

I'm honestly not caring anymore.

 

[McGovern '72!]

I'm honestly not caring anymore.

How could you be so cruel????? You WILL take sides in a bourgeois conflict thousands of miles away that has nothing to do with you!

 

[Virago]

How could you be so cruel????? You WILL take sides in a bourgeois conflict thousands of miles away that has nothing to do with you!

Unfortunately I am obligated to have an opinion due to this being a proxy conflict between us and the North

 

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[Jade]

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This is why I largely gave up following the conflict pretty early on, it just got boring and nothing happened except a lot of verbal mudflinging. I've grown tired of verbal mudflinging and I always feel angry at myself when I get suckered into it.